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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #100 on: September 02, 2013, 06:47:10 AM »
I am okay with spouses being brought in early and so long as they are invited by an heir. The key is that there is no Try For Baby early.

Hm, so we are only allowed to add Spouses to the Household? Would it be possible to clarify that in the rules that no "helpers" can be added to the household, I was under the impression you could have helpers but I guess I just missed that line, although it doesn't really say anywhere clearly that only spouses can be brought in - that I can see anyway.

Oh and Life State changing Elixirs:

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Life state changing elixirs can be thrown at non-Founders/Heirs.

I take that to mean we can't use them on Founders and Heirs? Even the Witch Elixir and Potent Cure? I'm thinking of having a Dynasty of Witches but if one heir doesn't turn out to be a Witch or something, they have to stay as a witch?
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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #101 on: September 02, 2013, 06:52:11 AM »
Hm, so we are only allowed to add Spouses to the Household? Would it be possible to clarify that in the rules that no "helpers" can be added to the household, I was under the impression you could have helpers but I guess I just missed that line, although it doesn't really say anywhere clearly that only spouses can be brought in - that I can see anyway.


Wait, we aren't allowed to bring in other persons than spouses?? I thought we could bring in every sim we want as soon as s/he has an allowed lifestate? I wanted to invite some university friends into my home world.

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #102 on: September 02, 2013, 06:52:49 AM »
Hm, so we are only allowed to add Spouses to the Household? Would it be possible to clarify that in the rules that no "helpers" can be added to the household, I was under the impression you could have helpers but I guess I just missed that line, although it doesn't really say anywhere clearly that only spouses can be brought in - that I can see anyway.

We can move in / out anyone to the household, not just spouses.  Yes, you can have helpers.


Oh and Life State changing Elixirs:

I take that to mean we can't use them on Founders and Heirs? Even the Witch Elixir and Potent Cure? I'm thinking of having a Dynasty of Witches but if one heir doesn't turn out to be a Witch or something, they have to stay as a witch?

Yes you can use the witch elixirs / potent cure on heirs. 
No fairy / werewolf / vampire elixirs can be used on heirs as this will lengthen their lifespan and it will be against the rule.



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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #103 on: September 02, 2013, 08:36:01 AM »
Wait, we aren't allowed to bring in other persons than spouses?? I thought we could bring in every sim we want as soon as s/he has an allowed lifestate? I wanted to invite some university friends into my home world.

That was also my first impression.

We can move in / out anyone to the household, not just spouses.  Yes, you can have helpers.

Yes you can use the witch elixirs / potent cure on heirs. 
No fairy / werewolf / vampire elixirs can be used on heirs as this will lengthen their lifespan and it will be against the rule.

Oh right, I must have been confused from the discussion on the previous page or something about the whole cloning issue and just thought the whole spouse thing was applicable to helpers.  ???

Thanks, yeah I know the fairy etc. ones are banned but I just needed to make sure - a witch dynasty without witches just defeats the purpose! ;)

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So I've thought of another thing, mainly because Agnes has to be in my Dynasty in one form or the other, Lol.

The rules give the impression that the Spouse must be moved in. If that is correct then the Heir could not marry the child of a helper born into the house, as the spouse wouldn't have to be moved in? Just wondering if anyone else reaches that same conclusion or if I'm wrong in that assumption. I think it would be nice to be able to do that but rules are rules.
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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #104 on: September 02, 2013, 09:21:30 AM »
Samoht04, I think you should be ok marrying the child of the helper, as long as he/she is in the correct lifestate and no trying for baby until heir requirements are done.  Anyone else thinks otherwise?

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« Reply #105 on: September 02, 2013, 09:39:22 AM »
Just wondering, can we adopt for non-heir children or can we only add the heir's spouse to the family?

My founder has a wish to be Surrounded by Family, but if she can't adopt then I may just have to try the old-fashioned way!
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« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2013, 09:45:13 AM »
Yes you can adopt for non-heir children, but make sure your heir is born first before you adopt.  The heir must be your first born the old-fashioned way.


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« Reply #107 on: September 02, 2013, 10:43:50 AM »
Yes you can adopt for non-heir children, but make sure your heir is born first before you adopt.  The heir must be your first born the old-fashioned way.

Yeah, my founder is preggers right now, but it is easier for me to get the spares through adoption. lol Thanks!
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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #108 on: September 02, 2013, 01:17:56 PM »
Samoht04, I think you should be ok marrying the child of the helper, as long as he/she is in the correct lifestate and no trying for baby until heir requirements are done.  Anyone else thinks otherwise?
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, the heir is the one who is supposed to invite the spouse in, per the rules. On the other hand, why the heck not? It'd be silly to invite helpers in, get them pregnant, then boot them out and have the heir hopefully invite their child in as a spouse.

I'm ok with marrying children of helpers.

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #109 on: September 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PM »
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, the heir is the one who is supposed to invite the spouse in, per the rules. On the other hand, why the heck not? It'd be silly to invite helpers in, get them pregnant, then boot them out and have the heir hopefully invite their child in as a spouse.

I'm ok with marrying children of helpers.

It seems like two conflicting rules to me: 1 - Helpers are free to come and go as you choose. 2 - Only the Heir can move their Spouse in. To me it seems that 1 invalidates 2 as a rule in a sense. Or maybe it just doesn't make sense to me to say there are no restrictions and then there is one. Especially with Shirin's example, it would take away a step in a long-winded process of having that child.

I was wondering what Metro's opinion on the Magic 8-Ball Wish roller would be? Where if you ask if you will be rich it can spawn some rather large wishes. I mean without Midas Touch you would actually have to work for those wishes which can be for large sums of LTHP.

Also anyone have any good money makers for founders that don't involve skill challenges or careers? :P And yes, I have already used Agnes. ;D
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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #110 on: September 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PM »
So we're all in agreement that the heir has to be the one to invite a spouse into the house. In other words if a potential spouse is outside the house, then the heir hs to bring them in. That is clear. BUT — there is nothing in the rules that specifically states that is the ONLY way to get a spouse into the house. Hehe...kind of a loophole I guess.

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« Reply #111 on: September 02, 2013, 01:34:17 PM »
I could easily be wrong, but I thought the moving in thing was mostly to keep female heirs from having kids without having the father be part of the household.

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #112 on: September 02, 2013, 01:40:01 PM »
So we're all in agreement that the heir has to be the one to invite a spouse into the house. In other words if a potential spouse is outside the house, then the heir hs to bring them in. That is clear. BUT — there is nothing in the rules that specifically states that is the ONLY way to get a spouse into the house. Hehe...kind of a loophole I guess.

Sure that makes sense, loopholes are good! :) - also we posted at the same time so didn't want you to miss the 8-Ball thing.  ;)

I could easily be wrong, but I thought the moving in thing was mostly to keep female heirs from having kids without having the father be part of the household.

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #113 on: September 02, 2013, 01:54:33 PM »
I was wondering what Metro's opinion on the Magic 8-Ball Wish roller would be? Where if you ask if you will be rich it can spawn some rather large wishes. I mean without Midas Touch you would actually have to work for those wishes which can be for large sums of LTHP.

The orb of answers, the one that spawns the "Be Worth More Than $1,000,000" that gives 70,000 Lifetime Happiness points, right?
Without midas touch, you need to figure out a way to be worth that much.  I don't see you breaking any rule, magic 8 ball should be ok to use.
Maybe by the time you get your net worth to be that much, you already have 150k happiness points, won't need that wish  ;D

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #114 on: September 02, 2013, 02:35:30 PM »
The orb of answers, the one that spawns the "Be Worth More Than $1,000,000" that gives 70,000 Lifetime Happiness points, right?
Without midas touch, you need to figure out a way to be worth that much.  I don't see you breaking any rule, magic 8 ball should be ok to use.
Maybe by the time you get your net worth to be that much, you already have 150k happiness points, won't need that wish  ;D

Well, you could potentially use it for one of the later generations in each quadruple, but I don't see any problem with using it either.

I didn't know about how the eightball can generate such a wish. Thanks for bringing it up!

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #115 on: September 02, 2013, 02:46:46 PM »
So we're all in agreement that the heir has to be the one to invite a spouse into the house. In other words if a potential spouse is outside the house, then the heir hs to bring them in. That is clear. BUT — there is nothing in the rules that specifically states that is the ONLY way to get a spouse into the house. Hehe...kind of a loophole I guess.

Thanks for that.  I was about to boot someone out of the house so that she could become pregnant with a possible spouse for gen 1.  After losing a couple of promising kids from outside the active household in recent games, I'm glad to be able to cut out some juggling.  Her husband will be happy, too :).

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2013, 06:02:21 PM »
I'd like to warn that the Orb of Answers can give the household 50,000 in funds when it feels like it. It's apparently rare enough so that Rica gave it the clear for the immortal dynasty when I brought it up, but money-making is supposed to be a bigger challenge here. I'd almost say ban the Orb.

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« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2013, 08:21:16 PM »
I'd like to warn that the Orb of Answers can give the household 50,000 in funds when it feels like it. It's apparently rare enough so that Rica gave it the clear for the immortal dynasty when I brought it up, but money-making is supposed to be a bigger challenge here. I'd almost say ban the Orb.

Well, ban it for yourself if you want more of a challenge. :)

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« Reply #118 on: September 03, 2013, 12:04:35 AM »
Between the nice big wish to be worth $1M and the tiberium, and genie wishes, founders are a cake-walk. If I chose it to be. The wish my sim spun was worth 120,500 LTHP. What do the other questions do?

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #119 on: September 03, 2013, 09:25:02 AM »
Are spare children allowed to move out and(not going to do this, Agnes fans, but was wondering) whether you can divorce after the baby has been born?

Also, what is the "Orb of Answers"?

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« Reply #120 on: September 03, 2013, 09:39:35 AM »
Thanks for posting this challenge!  Long time Simmer and reader of Carl's blog and finally had to join.  I'm going to crack this challenge!  I love the generation challenges!

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #121 on: September 03, 2013, 09:42:41 AM »
Are spare children allowed to move out and(not going to do this, Agnes fans, but was wondering) whether you can divorce after the baby has been born?

Also, what is the "Orb of Answers"?

Yes, spare children / helpers / non-heirs are allowed to move out. 
Yes, you can divorce after the baby (HEIR) has been born, don't have to be married in the first place.  If Agnes is one of your founders, you might want to keep her around as she can be one of your source for the large tombstone.

Orb of Answers is an item that come with Supernatural xpac.  It is like a magic 8 ball, where you can ask several questions and get some funny answers.  This item is currently on debate as some people is saying that it will proc lifetime happiness wishes that are too big and also randomly give you money.  Metro is ok with this item (few post up), however rules might change in the future, you will need to keep up with future changes. 

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #122 on: September 03, 2013, 09:50:11 AM »
Don't have SN yet, but will get it soon, so good to know.

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Re: The Sims 3 4x4 Dynasty
« Reply #123 on: September 03, 2013, 12:03:34 PM »
Question about collections.

Are Lifetime Reward Items allowed as a collection? I was thinking since Celebrity Freebies were allowed, then perhaps LTRs would be too.

Also: are we allowed to use genies to grant wishes? Like the Fortune wish?
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« Reply #124 on: September 03, 2013, 12:07:03 PM »
Question about collections.

Are Lifetime Reward Items allowed as a collection? I was thinking since Celebrity Freebies were allowed, then perhaps LTRs would be too.

Also: are we allowed to use genies to grant wishes? Like the Fortune wish?

1. Yes

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