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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #100 on: August 25, 2010, 10:12:47 AM »
If travel is banned till the second generation is young adult, does this leave much time. That's one thing I've never really taken much notice of - how long is each life stage. Someone want to enlighten me or at least point me somewhere that says?

That's a very good point, Norma and to be honest I made my comment that you quoted without thinking about the travel restriction, so that would make it extra tough on the Founder's spouse to get all of the skilling done in town. A Normal lifespan is around 90 days, give or take. I know the Elder stage lasts approximately 14 days. I want to say that YA and Adult last on average 21 days each, but I'm not crystal on that one.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2010, 11:32:50 AM »
The rules require that each Immortal must complete 6 unique Opportunities before eating ambrosia.  My self-employed fisherman just isn't getting very many opportunities, and when he does they are usually unattainable given the travel restrictions (the one to deliver frogs keeps coming up).  I may have to have him take up other skills to try to trigger more opportunities, but my question is, if he attends a chess tournament in the park or an eating contest, can I count those as opportunities for him?  Please? 
 
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2010, 12:02:49 PM »
The rules require that each Immortal must complete 6 unique Opportunities before eating ambrosia.  My self-employed fisherman just isn't getting very many opportunities, and when he does they are usually unattainable given the travel restrictions (the one to deliver frogs keeps coming up).  I may have to have him take up other skills to try to trigger more opportunities, but my question is, if he attends a chess tournament in the park or an eating contest, can I count those as opportunities for him?  Please? 

Begging works for me.  :D No, seriously, all opportunities count — skill, career, and the special ones like you mentioned.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #103 on: August 25, 2010, 12:42:00 PM »
I have questions about the 6 best friends.  Do they have to be your wannabeimmortal's best friends at the time of eating ambrosia, or best friends at any point?  If one dies, do you have to make another?

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« Reply #104 on: August 25, 2010, 12:58:18 PM »
Begging works for me.  :D No, seriously, all opportunities count — skill, career, and the special ones like you mentioned.

Oh, that's great.  He hasn't a hope of winning a chess tournament, but that's what I'll have him do, just to get those opportunities.  And it's good to know that begging works.  I'll make a note of that for future reference.  ;)
 
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #105 on: August 25, 2010, 01:02:21 PM »
You can only buy a camera (without cheating) on vacation, and since vacations are banned until the 2nd generation is young adult, isn't it impossible to get photographs of the founder as a young adult, and possibly as an adult, and the 2nd generation as all lifestages up to young adult?

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #106 on: August 25, 2010, 01:05:40 PM »
You can only buy a camera (without cheating) on vacation, and since vacations are banned until the 2nd generation is young adult, isn't it impossible to get photographs of the founder as a young adult, and possibly as an adult, and the 2nd generation as all lifestages up to young adult?

Cameras do turn up at the Consignment store from time to time, although you may have to wait.  My founder has just aged up to Adult and finally was able to get a camera.
 
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #107 on: August 25, 2010, 01:13:37 PM »
I have questions about the 6 best friends.  Do they have to be your wannabeimmortal's best friends at the time of eating ambrosia, or best friends at any point?

You need to have 6 Best Friends the moment an immortal eats Ambrosia for the first time because that number 6 is a requirement like all the other requirements for the act of eating the Ambrosia. So, if you'd get 6 Best Friends right away as a YA, and then 2 of them decayed to Good Friend when your Sim is ready to eat Ambrosia, you no longer have met the requirement.

If one dies, do you have to make another?

Not if a Best Friend passed AFTER you met all the requirements and ate Ambrosia for the first time. Once you have eaten Ambrosia there are no requirements to maintain friendship status. If you had 6 Best Friends a couple days before you were planning on an immortal eating Ambrosia for the first time and one of them dying, then it's no different than if you had let the friendship decay — you would no longer meet the requirements and would need to get another Best Friend.

You can only buy a camera (without cheating) on vacation, and since vacations are banned until the 2nd generation is young adult, isn't it impossible to get photographs of the founder as a young adult, and possibly as an adult, and the 2nd generation as all lifestages up to young adult?

Banning vacations until the 2nd generation was Young Adult was one of Pam's contributions. And I believe it was solely to prevent someone (like me, for example) from simply going to China on Day 1, getting all of the base camp books and returning to town with 20k from book sales. I hate changing something again since many players have started their Dynasties, but, curlybennett, you make an excellent point. What if cameras never show up at the consignment store? That does not really seem fair to me. All I need to do is ban the sale of China's base camp books and remove the vacation restriction and I think we'd be good. But, I want to make sure Pam has a chance to weigh in in case there are other reasons why she feels that vacation ban needs to stay.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #108 on: August 25, 2010, 01:58:56 PM »
Can you use birthday cake? I know for the most part we are keeping the sims around forever so who cares but I usually age up my babies right away. I figure it is banned but I want to make sure.
My other question come from the best friend goal. I see sometimes friends becoming old friends and I was wondering if that is lower then best. I always look at  it as a friend you have had along time. I know distant is worse, but am not sure on old. thanks!

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #109 on: August 25, 2010, 02:08:27 PM »
Can you use birthday cake? I know for the most part we are keeping the sims around forever so who cares but I usually age up my babies right away. I figure it is banned but I want to make sure.

Birthday cakes are not banned. As long as you accomplish your requirements for eating Ambrosia, you're free to age up all Sims as you like.

My other question come from the best friend goal. I see sometimes friends becoming old friends and I was wondering if that is lower then best. I always look at  it as a friend you have had along time. I know distant is worse, but am not sure on old. thanks!

If you open up your relationship panel Sims will always be listed from strongest to weakest, left to right. So, let's say you've got 3 Best Friends listed and then 2 Old Friends followed up by another Best Friend. In that situation you know you're good because the 2 Old Friends are clearly in the same range as your Best Friends. Where it would be more of a grey area would be say if you had 6 Best Friends listed, then 2 Old Friends and finally the Good Friends. Now, it's like...what's real strength of the Old Friends since they're touching Best and Good Friends? But, don't sweat it — I think as long as an Old Friend is immediately touching a Best Friend or another Old Friend that is next to a Best Friend you should be fine.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2010, 02:33:33 PM »
I am wondering how the death flower thing will work.  If our immortal is allowed to have a death flower in their inventory as soon as they qualify to eat ambrosia, how do we acquire that death flower?  If we are dependent on tracking down the right seeds and waiting for the plant to grow, that may take quite a while.  Or can we use the buydebug cheat as in the Grim Reaper Challenge?

If a special seed planted by our sims turns out to be a death plant (before we can use it) what should we do with it?  Do we have to delete it, or is there some way to keep it in storage for when it is needed?

Of course, I am a long way from needing this information!  The Douglas Clan Dynasty is proceeding at a leisurely pace.
 
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #111 on: August 25, 2010, 03:21:29 PM »
I am wondering how the death flower thing will work.  If our immortal is allowed to have a death flower in their inventory as soon as they qualify to eat ambrosia, how do we acquire that death flower?  If we are dependent on tracking down the right seeds and waiting for the plant to grow, that may take quite a while.  Or can we use the buydebug cheat as in the Grim Reaper Challenge?

No, the buydebug cheat is out of the question. And begging will not help this time.  ;) Someone early on — your Founder or your Founder's spouse — will obviously have a high level of gardening skill because of your Founder's need for the Life Fruit portion of Ambrosia. So, special seeds will be needed pretty quickly. That means Death Plants are pretty much guaranteed to pop up as you plant special seeds. Once the Death Plant reaches the Harvest stage I would just leave it alone until the immortal can harvest it with the death flower going right into his inventory. To me, that's the simplest solution" Bring 8 plants to harvest and just keep them watered but leave them alone. Put the Death Plants far away from the regular garden as "Tend Garden" will automatically have a Sim harvest everything on the lot. That way, you can cancel the cue when they're done with the main garden. I know it seems a bit clunky, but I'm not sure of a better solution. Can deathflowers go in the fridge? That might be another option.

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« Reply #112 on: August 25, 2010, 03:48:39 PM »
In my legacy, once a death flower is harvested, I remove it from the inventory and place it on the ground near the garden. That stores them in case an opportunity comes up to sell them.

For the dynasty, if a death flower is used to prevent accidental death, can a new one be placed in inventory?
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #113 on: August 25, 2010, 04:00:17 PM »
In my legacy, once a death flower is harvested, I remove it from the inventory and place it on the ground near the garden.

Yeah, sounds like another simple option.

For the dynasty, if a death flower is used to prevent accidental death, can a new one be placed in inventory?

Absolutely. It's not a one-time only deal.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #114 on: August 25, 2010, 06:24:09 PM »
You can move death flowers from one Sim to another so whoever harvests the death flower doesn't really matter does it?  You can put it in the immortals backpack easily click on the death flower and drag it to whatever Sim should have it and it goes into their backpack automatically).  Is that not okay?  I haven't even figured out the other stuff but this was something I thought I understood.  LOL  Hey, it might be the heat, it is hot here. 

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #115 on: August 25, 2010, 06:51:04 PM »
You can move death flowers from one Sim to another so whoever harvests the death flower doesn't really matter does it?  You can put it in the immortals backpack easily click on the death flower and drag it to whatever Sim should have it and it goes into their backpack automatically).  Is that not okay? 

As long as the recipient is qualified to carry a deathflower, then yes, moving it from one Sim to another is fine.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #116 on: August 25, 2010, 07:15:54 PM »
Another idea with the deathflower is have the first immortal hold them all till your next immortal is qualified then transfer them. As for if they are ready for it and your don't have at least one planted yet isn't there one is all the graveyards to be harvested once? That may help for the first immortal.
Questions now: Can the non immortals max all skills then? Can the non immortals have ambrosia at all like maybe to prolong life a little to help with paintings and what not for a little bit? Like say one time or say it is in the fridge and they eat it without you knowing or go to the diner that serves it without your knowledge. Or are there restrictions for non immortals as well? And birthday cakes are completely unrestricted? So it would be ok to use it to rid elderly non immortal for space?

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #117 on: August 25, 2010, 07:32:37 PM »
@momofmany:

No Ambrosia for non-immortals.  That's in the rules already.  Same for getting rid of a non-immortal.  Nothing to expedite death in any way.  I just had a discussion with Metro about birthday cake and he's going to amend his stance to where birthday cake is only allowed on the actual birthday of that Sim.  And yes, non-immortals can max any skills they wish.

Other thoughts...  you can store Ambrosia in a food replicator.  That would be safer than the refrigerator.  The trick is that you have to store it before it's cooked while it's still ingredients in the bowl.  The resulting Ambrosia isn't perfect quality, but it still works the same.  As for getting Ambrosia at the restaurant, it's never said that you're actually getting Ambrosia.  You have the best meal ever and get that great moodlet, but it doesn't change the Sim's age.  If anyone has proof otherwise, we need to hear it.  But for my tests, it didn't change the age at all.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #118 on: August 25, 2010, 07:35:19 PM »
Metro as far as the camera/travel thing goes can I add my 2 cents worth.
You were talking about allowing travel early on but restricting the sales of the books. Why not just leave it as is. The addition of photos and sculptures is not a requirement for eating ambrosia, so why not treat the photos as a bonus.. if you can find a camera early on lucky you, otherwise just get one when you can.

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« Reply #119 on: August 25, 2010, 07:51:25 PM »
Photos and Sculptures may be "optional", but if you're trying to score well you're going to need as many of them as possible.  At this point in my challenge it would be helpful, not for the camera as much as the treasures I can sell for cold, hard cash.  Didn't think about how some of the Purchasable properties and buildings in Twinbrook are significantly cheaper than in either Riverview (where I am) or Sunset Valley.

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« Reply #120 on: August 25, 2010, 08:06:50 PM »
Metro as far as the camera/travel thing goes can I add my 2 cents worth.
You were talking about allowing travel early on but restricting the sales of the books. Why not just leave it as is. The addition of photos and sculptures is not a requirement for eating ambrosia, so why not treat the photos as a bonus.. if you can find a camera early on lucky you, otherwise just get one when you can.

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That's certainly simpler for me. I was just about to change the rule. Pam's feeling is identical to yours, Norma. I took the opposite position and said that this is a very difficult challenge, so why not let players vacation early. But, yeah, photos are optional. This is not about score, so the vacation ban until 2nd generation stands as is.

I am going to clarify that birthday cakes are allowed only on actual birthdays, so players do not avoid the regular hardships of parenting.

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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #121 on: August 25, 2010, 08:14:00 PM »
Here's a question, Since every immortal must be in a different generation, and since you cannot help sims to die more quickly, and immortals can't die in any way, what happens if you have this.

6 immortal sims.
1 spare.
1 heir.

What happens if the heir becomes immortal (And an elder) before the spare dies? Do you just lose, or what?

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« Reply #122 on: August 25, 2010, 08:30:44 PM »
Here's a question, Since every immortal must be in a different generation, and since you cannot help sims to die more quickly, and immortals can't die in any way, what happens if you have this.

6 immortal sims.
1 spare.
1 heir.

What happens if the heir becomes immortal (And an elder) before the spare dies? Do you just lose, or what?

The rules say the challenge ends if the firstborn of any generation dies, so what would be the point of having a "spare"? 

•If your Founder or any generation’s firstborn dies before they become an Elder and eat Ambrosia/place the deathflower, then your Dynasty attempt comes to an end.

 
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Re: The Sims 3 Immortal Dynasty Challenge
« Reply #123 on: August 25, 2010, 08:39:45 PM »
Thanks Pam I must have overlooked that in the rules or just forgot but as I always do I will reread the rules and make note of them when I am ready to begin.
I agree with Norma and Pam on the travel as well. Photos are indeed optional and if you wanted it enough you could check the consignment shop daily. I have never personally had trouble getting it through the consignment but I don't know. On a side note does the phone camera not work as the other cameras do? I thought that though of lower quality and worth less they were able to do virtually the same? Is that not true?
Pam I know nothing of the Ambrosia from the diner I haven't had it but I thought I remembered seeing it banned in a different challenge for that particular reason but maybe I am wrong.

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« Reply #124 on: August 25, 2010, 08:43:12 PM »
I've been reading the stories people have posted about the beginning of their Dynasties.  It is really fascinating seeing how everyone is approaching this Challenge.  I hope people will keep their stories up to date as the unfolding sagas promise to be very interesting.
 
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