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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2018, 10:26:41 AM »
I hope some of you are doing testing on this one. Mainly because the team wants to avoid making tough decisions after this goes live if all of a sudden we have players screaming that bad things happened because of lack of parental control. We want this to be hard -- that's the whole point. To play this from the vantage point of the toddlers. But, we also do not want multiple players having nasty things develop. So, do some testing and if problems happen, then PM the team with specifics. Thanks, guys.

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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 10:52:36 AM »
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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2018, 01:31:31 PM »
I hope some of you are doing testing on this one. Mainly because the team wants to avoid making tough decisions after this goes live if all of a sudden we have players screaming that bad things happened because of lack of parental control. We want this to be hard -- that's the whole point. To play this from the vantage point of the toddlers. But, we also do not want multiple players having nasty things develop. So, do some testing and if problems happen, then PM the team with specifics. Thanks, guys.

I am running short test files until the highchair makes me rage quit. ;) Baby/toddler/child challenges are not my favorites, but I'm going to give this one a shot. 

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2018, 01:49:11 PM »
I'm doing some testing but this may be a challenge i don't end up participating in. My parents seem to end up standing around doing nothing a lot. I've especially noticed this after tucking/reading toddlers to sleep. They also have random moments where they sit in a chair/on a sofa reading to an imaginary toddler but without the toddler or reading animation (i clicked into the parent to see what they were doing on that chair for 3 hours).  One time the dad was on "passing out" countdown at zero for about 4 hours without actually passing out. He just stood there. Tried repairing etc. Don't have/never have had cc or mods.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2018, 08:54:05 PM »
I am running short test files until the highchair makes me rage quit. ;)
Highchair rage is why I always cheat with toddlers in my normal games.  This will be interesting.

It doesn't look like I need "Toddler Stuff" or "Parenthood" for this, but I wanted to check to make sure.
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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2018, 08:18:21 AM »
I am running short test files until the highchair makes me rage quit. ;)
Highchair rage is why I always cheat with toddlers in my normal games.  This will be interesting.

It doesn't look like I need "Toddler Stuff" or "Parenthood" for this, but I wanted to check to make sure.
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No, you don't need those to participate. The Toddler life stage was added in a general patch for everyone who owns the base game.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2018, 04:43:58 PM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2018, 04:54:55 PM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.

This is a problem I've been experiencing in several games since the latest patch. Possibly even before. I haven't tested a new game for this yet, but just wanted to let the team know this cam be an issue.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2018, 04:59:46 PM »
Dear Team,

(1) Kids' Personal Inventory
A question about kids who "hoard" toys or books in personal inventory.
When the time comes to move out such a kid, may I remove such items from their inventory and return them to the toy box or bookcase?

(2) Parent's Needs
While practicing, I occasionally switch to the parents just to check their needs. Is this okay during normal gameplay (i.e., nobody's stuck)?

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2018, 05:02:15 PM »
@cyclonenic
The latest pre-patch and Laundry Stuff Pack have been wreaking havoc on my games as well.
In my case, my practice file (no cc and, of course, no mods) got stuck in a "you can't do that because a sim in aging up" loop for 8+ hours (and no sim was aging up).
After quitting and reloading, the game got stuck when I replayed to exactly the same place again (right after the parents' adult birthday).

I haven't had issues with the parents' idling once their parenting skills rose, but my stuck-aging-up glitch got cured by a Factory Reset followed by Repair Game. *sighs
Have you tried a Factory Reset since Laundry?

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2018, 06:36:09 PM »
Hi @oshizu Sounds like a few people are having random parenting stuck issues above so think it is the latest patch, I don't have the stuff pack. I haven't done a complete factory reset yet and currently travelling. I'll try that when I get back next week and see if it resolves. Was trying to resolve without as it takes hours to reload it all :( I've also encountered the aging imaginary sim bug too!

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 05:18:27 AM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.

Just had that too...


I also quite didn't understand the rules of adoption. When we start with two adults and their kid, can we immediately start adopting other toddlers? Or do we have to wait until the kid becomes a teen, move him/her out, then adopt for the first time? Also, if so, is it a "one for one" rule - only after we move one out, we can adopt the next one (and only one)? The scoring example shows only four toddlers, so I thought it should be like that, but then, it's not too challenging if so?

I have one  more question so far. When the game ends, what do we do with the remaining toddlers? Since we can't know how much TS they've earned, they just don't count?


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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2018, 05:43:17 AM »
I have a few questions to add to Oshizu and Nikitachi's after play testing.

1/Is changing children and teens wardrobe/hairstyle ok? (maybe if we enter CAS with the toddler?)

2/What happen if there's not enough money to adopt one more toddler when the last current one grow up? game over and partial score? Wait for the working parent to bring enough for it?


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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2018, 06:34:28 AM »
I can answer some of the following but will defer to Marian (and others) for more input...

Dear Team,

(1) Kids' Personal Inventory
A question about kids who "hoard" toys or books in personal inventory.
When the time comes to move out such a kid, may I remove such items from their inventory and return them to the toy box or bookcase?

Seems reasonable to do so, as long as that's your only action with them.

(2) Parent's Needs
While practicing, I occasionally switch to the parents just to check their needs. Is this okay during normal gameplay (i.e., nobody's stuck)?

Not recommended because you could accidentally assign them to do something when they're the active Sim.

I have a few questions to add to Oshizu and Nikitachi's after play testing.

1/Is changing children and teens wardrobe/hairstyle ok? (maybe if we enter CAS with the toddler?)

Can we just keep the rules simple and prevent one more line for an additional allowance? But, I can go either way if other team members are okay with it.

2/What happen if there's not enough money to adopt one more toddler when the last current one grow up? game over and partial score? Wait for the working parent to bring enough for it?


Looking at the rule I do get the implication that you HAVE to adopt when one moves out, but there is no consequence built in, so let's see what others suggest if it should be game over if there is not enough money for adoption.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2018, 08:08:43 AM »
I can answer some of the following but will defer to Marian (and others) for more input...

Dear Team,

(1) Kids' Personal Inventory
A question about kids who "hoard" toys or books in personal inventory.
When the time comes to move out such a kid, may I remove such items from their inventory and return them to the toy box or bookcase?

Seems reasonable to do so, as long as that's your only action with them.

(2) Parent's Needs
While practicing, I occasionally switch to the parents just to check their needs. Is this okay during normal gameplay (i.e., nobody's stuck)?

Not recommended because you could accidentally assign them to do something when they're the active Sim.

I have a few questions to add to Oshizu and Nikitachi's after play testing.

1/Is changing children and teens wardrobe/hairstyle ok? (maybe if we enter CAS with the toddler?)

Can we just keep the rules simple and prevent one more line for an additional allowance? But, I can go either way if other team members are okay with it.

2/What happen if there's not enough money to adopt one more toddler when the last current one grow up? game over and partial score? Wait for the working parent to bring enough for it?


Looking at the rule I do get the implication that you HAVE to adopt when one moves out, but there is no consequence built in, so let's see what others suggest if it should be game over if there is not enough money for adoption.

I actually disagree with Metro about stuff in a child's inventory. I'd like to keep things simple and not allow small things like this.

As for checking parents' needs, I'd recommend against it too, for the same reason.

Changing the clothing of children and teens is okay as long as the toddler is the one choosing to go into CAS. Anything the toddler can do is okay.

If there's not enough money to adopt the next toddler, then I'd say it's okay to wait until the working parent brings home the cash.
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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2018, 08:21:05 AM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.

You can always use the resetsim cheat for a stuck Sim. If that doesn't work, you can PM the team and we'll probably okay a work-around.
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Just had that too...


I also quite didn't understand the rules of adoption. When we start with two adults and their kid, can we immediately start adopting other toddlers? Or do we have to wait until the kid becomes a teen, move him/her out, then adopt for the first time? Also, if so, is it a "one for one" rule - only after we move one out, we can adopt the next one (and only one)? The scoring example shows only four toddlers, so I thought it should be like that, but then, it's not too challenging if so?

I have one  more question so far. When the game ends, what do we do with the remaining toddlers? Since we can't know how much TS they've earned, they just don't count?

You can adopt another toddler or several toddlers immediately if you want. You certainly don't have to wait until the toddler becomes a teen and moves out to adopt again. You don't have to adopt every time a toddler ages up, but we do recommend that you always have a toddler so you'll have an active Sim.

If your parents age up to elders before your last toddler(s) ages up to child, then you don't get to count their points.
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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2018, 09:50:58 AM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.
You can always use the resetsim cheat for a stuck Sim. If that doesn't work, you can PM the team and we'll probably okay a work-around.
So we are ok to reset both adults as we won't know which has the stuck action without swapping to them?

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2018, 09:52:38 AM »
I've just had an issue where none of the sims in the family could do anything because 1 of the parents had a stuck action. 

Specifically the father had an active action to 'put down' the toddler that the mum was holding. Because of this none of the other cued actions for either parent or toddlers would drop down to the active slot. This meant that the mum could not put the toddler she was holding to bed, and the dad could not help the other toddler with the task she wanted to do.

Because it is a test file, I swapped to the dad, cancelled the impossible to complete task and everyone started moving again.  Would this be ok in the challenge file? If not what should we do to fix the problem?  If I hadn't swapped to the dad I wouldn't have known the cause of the problem, and I don't know how long they would have been stuck for.
You can always use the resetsim cheat for a stuck Sim. If that doesn't work, you can PM the team and we'll probably okay a work-around.
So we are ok to reset both adults as we won't know which has the stuck action without swapping to them?

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2018, 11:30:25 AM »
Thank you for all the answers. I get it. We play the toddlers and only the toddlers, without switching to non-toddler sims, until the end.  ;D
It makes perfect sense. Too many little exceptions will just make it harder for us to remember what's allowed and what's not.

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Re: Rug Rats: Surviving a Toddler Run Household
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2018, 01:21:11 PM »
So, the first toddler has to be teen to be moved out, but all the rest of the toddlers can move out as children?

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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2018, 01:40:23 PM »
So, the first toddler has to be teen to be moved out, but all the rest of the toddlers can move out as children?

I'm pretty sure that's how it will work. The children will move in with the teen. If someone finds out that's not possible, please let us know.
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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2018, 02:06:11 PM »
So, the first toddler has to be teen to be moved out, but all the rest of the toddlers can move out as children?

I'm pretty sure that's how it will work. The children will move in with the teen. If someone finds out that's not possible, please let us know.

So, the first teen gets their own house.  So, if that house becomes full, then we have to wait for a teen again to move more children out?

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2018, 02:12:25 PM »
So, the first toddler has to be teen to be moved out, but all the rest of the toddlers can move out as children?

I'm pretty sure that's how it will work. The children will move in with the teen. If someone finds out that's not possible, please let us know.

So, the first teen gets their own house.  So, if that house becomes full, then we have to wait for a teen again to move more children out?

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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2018, 02:50:46 PM »
Does your first toddler that you make in CAS have to be a child before you can adopt your first toddler?  But after that, are you able to adopt as many as you can?  Also, to be clear, there is no restrictions to build/buy, right?

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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2018, 03:14:34 PM »
Does your first toddler that you make in CAS have to be a child before you can adopt your first toddler?  But after that, are you able to adopt as many as you can?  Also, to be clear, there is no restrictions to build/buy, right?

You can adopt at any time. No restrictions on build/buy except for the ones involving community lots.
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