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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2010, 01:28:11 AM »
Having recently played a painter, I have come to the conclusion that the score of 821 simoleans an hour is not entirely accurate, and can be increased if you paint large paintings. At max painting, with no perfectionist trait and speed painter challenge completed, a small painting takes 90 minutes from start to finish. A large painting takes 240 minutes. The max recorded value, (To my knowledge) of a large painting is about 5000. The max recorded for a small painting is about 1700. The math:

LT = large time
ST = small time
LV = large (initial selling) value
SV = small (initial selling) value

LT/ST = 2.66666666...
2.66666 * 1700 = 4533

The conclusion: Minute for minute large paintings are significantly better. Also, considering the VAST amount of money one can earn through painting opportunities (From the deliver 15 paintings one I earned over 315K, with opportunistic.) and considering that the amount of money earned is based on the value of the painting given (Multiplied by anywhere from 2.5 to 4 (without opportunistic)) large is clearly better. So, perhaps the MPH should be revised somewhat, no?

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« Reply #126 on: August 06, 2010, 08:49:00 AM »
Yeah, maybe large painting are a bit better when you look at simoleans/hour. But, one flaw in your research is you're only looking at max value for both sizes. Do you know how many painters I've played in the last year? Wanna know how many large paintings I've done that were worth $5k right off the easel? It's ultra rare. So, a better way to approach this research is to write down how much money you make over a large amount of time, like 12 or 16 hours. And to do it for several days. Then you get a great idea of what really can be made per hour at an activity. I'll revisit the large size for better data at a later date. Right now, I've got too much on my plate, but I appreciate you bringing this to my attention.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2010, 11:52:10 PM »
Nope. I just did a very quick informal test with my da Vinci Challenge character since he's done with that challenge and at least for a 24-hour period with static needs on I could not match or beat the small canvas results listed on p. 1. He pumped out exactly 6 large sized paintings in 24 hours — it was a nice mix of 2 masterpieces, 2 brilliants, and 2 standards — so very typical of real world results in the day to day life of a painter. He sold them for $17,930 which computes to $747/hr.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #128 on: August 07, 2010, 01:03:48 PM »
One question, about how much were the paintings worth on average?

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #129 on: August 07, 2010, 01:06:54 PM »
Almost 3k — $17,930/6 = $2988.

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« Reply #130 on: August 07, 2010, 05:06:06 PM »
Ah.... That would explain it. With my painter I'm painting large paintings at an average of about 4k. Very rarely, I paint one below 3k. Its interesting, painting seems like writing in the regard that you can only train so much before reaching a limit.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #131 on: August 07, 2010, 11:33:16 PM »
Hmm, sadly my vacation in Egyptian wasn't as lucrative as I thought it would be.

My daily photo prices were:

Great Sphinx:  2,335
Pyramid:         2,745
Gold Figurines: 2,451

These were all taken from the vantage point of Oceanview Estate.  the Acacia Palace, Pomegranate House and the Almond Tree House also have clear views of both the Pyramid and the Sphinx.

However, only the Oceanview Estate grants you an easy 40 minute walk to Abu Simbel, which cashes in at 3,225 daily shot.

So either 7551 for 5 sim minutes work, or 10,774 for about 45 minutes work.


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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #132 on: August 28, 2010, 03:35:03 PM »
I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this, but i think it fits good enough
(yea, I'm a nooby :P).

It looks like writing hasn't really been researched, but it's probably better than painting.
(if I'm wrong, please correct me) (I think this is true because Metro states he expects higher for writing)
However, what is the correct strategy to earn the most money in the long term?
(I read the pages in the guide about writing, but it doesn't say anything specific, like what genre is best and how much I have to read books).
Also, because the value of the paintings increase over time, could painting potentially be better than stated in the first post?
For example if you have a little competition with your friends, and you wait till the deadline (the deadline is when you compare the money and see who won) before you sell most of your paintings.

Thanks in advance,

Phufhi

EDIT: I would also like to note that I don't have the 'Ambitions' expansion

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« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2010, 03:59:40 PM »
Welcome to the forums, Phufhi! I think I read somewhere that children's books are the best in money versus time. Especially if you (the sim) have read 50 books. Without Ambitions, you can't use the consignment shop, but I agree that if you wait for awhile before selling the paintings, it's better because after Level 5, they appreciate a little every day.

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« Reply #134 on: August 28, 2010, 04:12:12 PM »
another question:
does the perfectionist trait increase or decrease the amount of money per hour?
(for writing and painting mostly)

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #135 on: August 28, 2010, 04:13:50 PM »
Another question:
Does the perfectionist trait increase or decrease the amount of money per hour
(for writing and painting mostly)?

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« Reply #136 on: August 28, 2010, 04:43:11 PM »
Perfectionists do paint better paintings and write better books, but it takes them longer to complete them, I haven't done a test to see how much longer, maybe someone else has! Probably Metro!  ;D

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« Reply #137 on: August 28, 2010, 04:53:44 PM »
Ok, last question  :o
(hopefully you don't find my question spamming too annoying...  :P)
The "artistic" trait makes you learn the painting skill faster, and it makes it possible to paint somber still lives earlier on.
Even though this is handy, I would argue it is not one of the best traits for a painter.
From what I can remember any sim will learn the painting skill quite fast, and a boost isn't really needed.
Is it really true that the artistic trait doesn't do anything for a painter after they arrived at level 10?

Thanks in advance,

Phufhi

PS. I would like to compliment on the activeness of the forum members, because my questions were answered in a matter of minutes  :D

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« Reply #138 on: August 28, 2010, 05:25:30 PM »
I don't think it helps after you get to Level 10, I may be wrong but I haven't seen any difference in my painters with and without. Thanks for the compliment, this forum is amazing! No I don't find your questions annoying because how else are you going to learn?

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #139 on: August 29, 2010, 08:33:20 AM »
Is there a reason why the writing study hasn't been posted here yet?
I'm just asking because i would really like to see the results  :o

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« Reply #140 on: August 29, 2010, 09:03:57 AM »
Is there a reason why the writing study hasn't been posted here yet?
I'm just asking because i would really like to see the results  :o

I just haven't gotten around to doing writing. Too much other stuff to do at the time being.

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« Reply #141 on: August 29, 2010, 04:39:21 PM »
I have an author, self-employed now, who has been writing since she was a teen and now is halfway to elder.  I don't have her stats on her writing and reading books but currently is making around $16,000 per week, which I think is really good.  Unfortunately her life has been taken up with raising 2 daughters so she hasn't been writing as much but the option has come up for her to write a masterpiece which I think she's going to undertake.  Too bad it only pays a one-time payment of $2000.  Oh and once your author is able to write books faster, romance is the way to go...pays around $2000/wk x 6 weeks.

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« Reply #142 on: August 29, 2010, 04:44:13 PM »
One of my immortals in the new Dynasty Challenge is slated to be a Professional Author, so I'll try and remember to keep some detailed notes.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #143 on: August 29, 2010, 05:01:53 PM »
Oh and once your author is able to write books faster, romance is the way to go...pays around $2000/wk x 6 weeks.
Thanks for that, you have given me hope.  Olga has smoke coming from her keyboard, trying to earn promotion as a self-employed author [stuck at 5].  She's got all the Lifetime Rewards necessary, and has ticked all 3 boxes in the Skills department; so it will be Romantic Novels once she's finished her Masterpiece [if she lives that long!].

I still haven't unravelled why the §§§ doesn't seem to move on, though.  The interim payments seem to register, but the final royalties don't.  Possibly.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2010, 06:05:35 PM »
Hey!
Today I made a writer, and it's the first sim I had that was 'rich' (100.000 simoleons xD)
(shows how much of a noob I am).

What I did was mostly write Children's books, and it worked out quite well.
Just before I stopped earning money (it was becoming kind of boring, because I was playing for 3 hours :P) the children's books were pumping out around 600-700 per book (I had tons of hits and best-sellers).
It seems like I could write about 4 or 5 (can't really remember) books per day.

If we take the minimum: 600 * 4 = 2400 per day x 6 weeks
So if you do this for 6 weeks it would max out at 2400 x 42 = 100800 simoleons per week

I have an author, self-employed now, who has been writing since she was a teen and now is halfway to elder.  I don't have her stats on her writing and reading books but currently is making around $16,000 per week, which I think is really good.

I don't know if there is a mistake in my calculations, if you weren't focusing almost all of your time on writing books, or if you meant the addition of income each week, but 16,000 per week seems quite low.

Too bad it only pays a one-time payment of $2000.

Are you sure? I think I got about 9000 simoleons per week for 6 weeks for a masterpiece.

Oh and once your author is able to write books faster, romance is the way to go...pays around $2000/wk x 6 weeks.

It could very well be that romance is better than children's books if done correctly, but I wrote children's books so I could easily get the wishes for reading amounts of books and write amounts of books (even though I squeezed in a romance novel or later a masterpiece every now and then to get one of the wishes for amount of money for one book)

Some notes:
Note 1: I don't have ambitions, so I can't be self-employed (and I also don't know how it really works :P)
Note 2: My data isn't that accurate, and probably also not maximized, maybe in the future I'll make some real notes and calculations so  can give more accurate results.
Note 3: If we want to know which books are most effective we probably need a writer for each type of book that could be the best (children's, romance and masterpiece mostly, probably). I could gather some data for children's books, but someone else has to do the other two genres. (also, if I gather data for children's books, keep in mind I'm still a noob, and I probably don't know what is the absolute best way to write the highest possible amount of books each day)

Hopefully this post was helpful :),

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2010, 06:12:17 PM »
The Children's Books genre is awesome. I have no doubt the Masterpieces and Romance novels are still better moneymakers, but if you're trying to get those enormous "Read 50 Books" and "Write 50 Books" wishes at the same time for more happiness points — and who doesn't want more happiness points, forget those two genres. They're simply too time consuming. I plan on doing the Children's Books data soon.

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« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2010, 06:40:39 PM »
The Children's Books genre is awesome. I have no doubt the Masterpieces and Romance novels are still better moneymakers, but if you're trying to get those enormous "Read 50 Books" and "Write 50 Books" wishes at the same time for more happiness points — and who doesn't want more happiness points, forget those two genres. They're simply too time consuming. I plan on doing the Children's Books data soon.

I'm looking forward to it. :D
There is absolutely no doubt that your data will be more valuable than mine. xD
Oh, I would also like to add that, in theory, making masterpieces is the best money maker according to the guide (especially when you are specialized in it).

The money (for 6 weeks) per page base ratios are as follows:
Masterpieces        -      6.5
Children's books    -      4.3
Romances            -      4.6
Vaudeville            -      4.8

If you need information for more genres you should go to http://www.carls-sims-3-guide.com/skills/writing/book-type-list.php
and then divide the average royalty check with the average amount of pages.

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #147 on: September 09, 2010, 04:06:02 AM »
My method will not have the best ratio $/hours but it has the advantage of give a permanent additional income source.

I named it "Karate Kid Mummy".

In my previous game, I give me as objective to have a Mummy at home.  I use the King sarcophagus + relic method (it was a cool objective when tomb raiding in Egypt to find the good items).
After that, my mummy completed the 60 hours of strength training and became immune to "fatigue" effect.
The last step was to break enough stuff with martial art to be able to break space rock blocks and give random gems.

As a mummy, he doesn't need sleep and with the other stuff, my mummy was able to break space rock blocks 24/7 (and totally immortal with Ambrosia) and he gives me a large number of pink diamond (about 10K $ Heart shaped cut) , soulpieces (same as pink diamond) and tiberium gems.  Tiberium was the most important income if obtained when on trip out of town (it just required to be but uncut in my garden in order to growth).

The very large amount of gem produced by my Karate Kid mummy gives me the opportunity to "play" with gem transfiguration a lot ^^

Hope it can help

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Re: Ranking the Best Money-Making Activities
« Reply #148 on: September 09, 2010, 04:28:07 AM »
That's a pretty interesting money-making scheme, Shalmanasar.  :D

I suspect a "Karate Kid Mummy" chopping space rocks for 20 hours and then "transfiguring" the gems in the remaining 4 might be a VERY high ratio of "hours worked / income" over a few days.

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« Reply #149 on: September 10, 2010, 01:31:31 PM »
I thought this was a race or something to see who can make the best money out of things in The Sims 3. If so, I thought I had already won with my million dollar nectar thingy. :P

 

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