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Tutorial: Basements Under Foundations
« on: June 30, 2010, 06:35:56 PM »
With the introduction of the basement tool, building a basement for your sims became a lot easier than it used to be, but there is still room for confusion when using this tool, so I will try and guide you through some tips for using these tools.
First up, letís build a basement under an existing house that is not built on a foundation. This is the easiest of all basement building.

Go into the build tab and select the basement tool and just drag it out where you would like your basement to be. A few points to remember though, you need to be on ground level to do this and you need space to add your stairs to the ground floor. For the stairs, you will need 6 spaces which includes 1 landing spot at the top and the bottom of the stairs (when you are placing stairs it will show 2 landing spaces at the top, but when you are placing stairs at ground level down, you donít need the additional space) Of these 6 spaces, you really only have to have 5 in the basement as the stairs can back up to an existing wall and 5 on the upper level.


So that is the very basics of basement building, but what if your house is built on a foundation? How do you get the stairs to go down to the basement then? Keep reading and I will tell you how.

If you have a foundation under your house and a basement, you need to build your stairs in two sections, from floor level to the ground and then from the ground down to the basement floor. The first step is simple enough, just demolish 2 blocks of foundation then add your stairs down to the ground. (donít forget to cover that grassy tile with flooring lol)

The second step can be a little tricky. You will need a landing of one tile at the bottom of the first section of stairs. From that landing, you can go down to the basement, but you need to remove more foundation than just where the stairs will be. If you try to place the stairs with just one row of foundation removed, you will be told that you canít place stairs inside a foundation.  To get around this, remove two rows of foundation from each side of the stairs. Donít worry, once the stairs are in place, you can build the foundation right up next to them.
The problem is that with the foundation in place too close to where you want the stairs, you can still see a floor grid where the foundation is missing. You need to get rid of this so there is nothing above the stairs. Once you have removed enough foundation you can then place the stairs down to the basement. Even this final placement can be a bit sticky Ė you may have to jiggle the mouse around in the right spot before the stairs Ďstickí

Once your stairs are in place, you can then build the foundation right up to them again to give the stairwell walls. These walls will not go beyond the ground, so to give your stairwell nice closed in walls add 2 walls either side of where the stairs will go BEFORE you actually place the stairs. This step isnít needed, but it gives the stairs a better look (in my opinion anyway)

Now the stairs are in place and the foundation is back you can add some floor tiles over the last two spaces over the stairs. You can actually cover all the lower stairs with floor tiles, but when sims use the stairs, they pass through the floor which looks weird. You can also build walls over these floor tiles, you can paint these walls,but you canít place anything on the walls or floor over the stairs (unless you use the moveobjects cheat) Your sim will however be able to walk over them.

So now you should have a set of stairs going down to your basement through the foundation. Finish them up by putting walls or railings around (so the kids donít fall over the edge lol)
For a variation, when it comes to the second flight, try changing direction to go at a right angle from the top stairs. If you do this though, you will need an extra landing tile between the top stairs and the lower ones.

So as you can see, you can add a basement to a house on a foundation. Of course it is much easier if you havenít got decorated walls above the area, but what major home renovation like adding stairs doesnít include a bit of mess.
If you are still unsure about adding stairs down through your foundation, there is always the option of building a garden shed in the back yard with the stairs inside!


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Re: Basements under foundations tutorial
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 07:18:49 PM »
This tutorial is really very helpful and well made ... I loved the idea of adding explaination photos .. I wish all topics had describing photos .... but can you make a tutorial for building a second story ?? It would really help me a lot ... I hope you can do it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 07:41:11 PM »
This is so fantastic! Thank you!  :-*
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 12:49:42 AM »
Thank you very much for this! I was beginning to wonder if I'd always have to deal with the awkwardness of having a building on a foundation and another building without foundation (that happens to have stairs to a basement) on the same lot. This tutorial will make everything much easier!  :D

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 01:45:14 AM »
Not knowing what you've just shown us, I recently made a basement under the lawn. I then surrounded the ground level stair cutout with a pretty fence with a locked gate, and placed boulders and shrubs around, to help it blend into the surroundings. I placed a small wall at the base of the stairs with a locked door to the basement.

Eventually a robber came, let himself into the locked gate at the top (D'oh! All that effort for naught!), opened the locked door at the bottom, and was finally stopped by the burglar alarm. The lesson I learned: robbers can unlock locks, and alarms and phone calls to the police work best.

I still put a fence around my money trees, though. Now I'm wondering why.
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Re: Basements under foundations tutorial
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 02:11:30 AM »
.... but can you make a tutorial for building a second story ?? It would really help me a lot ... I hope you can do it.
Thanks  :)
I can do that, no problem.. when I regain control of my good computer .. kids!! :P

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 12:50:49 PM »
I'll be waiting ..... thank you  :)

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 01:27:21 PM »
Detailed explanation (+1)
Pictures!=O (+1)
Including ideas and recommendations (+1)

For short, good work! And thank you.

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 01:28:29 PM »
I found it very simple to build a second story. In Build mode click on Stairs, then place them in the house. At the top of the stairs an invisible grid appears, around which you can place walls (click Wall), and floor tiles (click Floor).
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2010, 08:11:29 PM »
I just tried to build an underground parking lot using the basement tool. Ideally I'd like to have the grass cover the hole and an asphalt driveway leading up to the slope. I'm lost on making a slope.

Anyone with experience have advice?
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Re: Basements under foundations tutorial
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2010, 08:27:13 PM »
The basement tool is good for just that basements, but for something like a parking level, you need to use the foundation tool. That's how we used to always build basements. I've built a few houses with under house parking in TS2, I presume it is still much the same method. I'll have a play and let you know.

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2010, 08:56:52 PM »
I saw a youtube video showing it, so I might be able to figure it out. Thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2010, 09:33:38 PM »
Were you after doing something like this...




That was done using no cheats. In TS2 you could get a better result on the driveway (and be able to lay any paving on it) by using cheats, but it's been so long since I did that, I've forgotten how to do it and would have to find my building notes.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2010, 10:19:05 PM »
I was hoping to create a parking area on the home lot that wouldn't show the cars or need a separate building. I don't want to mar the natural beauty. Silly, I know.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2010, 10:53:24 PM »
That is totally dependent on whether you want it to follow the logic way of being or just "not show the cars".

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2010, 10:55:44 PM »
So you want something under the house, without the garage doors but retaining the functionality of the cars that are there?
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2010, 11:05:40 PM »
Norma, thank you for wanting to help, but I don't want you to bother with looking up notes or going to any extra effort.

I hope to place it away from the house, like the garage at the bottom of the first photo and in the second photo, maybe at a right angle to the driveway leading up to it, so the garage doors are less visible from the front of the lot. At first I'd hoped to have grass cover the top, as you'd described covering up the stairs hole in the house, but it seems like since I'm not building an actual basement, I'd need a roof.

I've been watching videos that dimple the ground, then level it, to make the progressively lower ground level. Some videos show the use of stairs in some incomprehensible way to create a slope then they delete the stairs. I'll fiddle with it and holler if I hit a big hitch. Thanks again!
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2010, 11:16:05 PM »
Norma, thank you for wanting to help, but I don't want you to bother with looking up notes or going to any extra effort.

Actually, I'm having fun. Building is one of the things I have loved doing since the original Sims came out. I enjoy trying to do things just a little bit different from the norm. You have me intrigued about this dimpling of the ground. Did they use any cheats to create it?
Anyway, I'm still going to have a play with the whole idea and if I have any breakthroughs, I'll give a yell  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2010, 02:03:07 AM »
Here's what I came up with, bearing in mind I've tried my hand at building for exactly 2 days now. I don't know if I'm allowed to link to the video that showed me how to create a slope using steps, so I won't for now. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Norma!

[edit: I forgot to test it out with a car, to see if it's actually usable! Cross your fingers!
another edit: It didn't work. But after I changed the driveway to asphalt, it worked fine. It's not as pretty, but I was at least able to use brown not black asphalt. It's past bedtime, or I'd re-take the screenshots.


I tried to make the garage blend in with the surroundings as much as possible, with variations in color due to difference in materials used.

The garage is to the left of the house:




To show the slope (steep, to save space):


I couldn't get the top edge of the foundation surrounding the garage painted, so to distract from the bright white, I decided to place a fence over the edges and use the ground level space as a deck, just the right size for that fun new outdoor game.










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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2010, 04:15:15 AM »

[edit: I forgot to test it out with a car, to see if it's actually usable! Cross your fingers!
another edit: It didn't work. But after I changed the driveway to asphalt, it worked fine. It's not as pretty, but I was at least able to use brown not black asphalt. It's past bedtime, or I'd re-take the screenshots.]

You've done well.
I'm surprised that changing the surface of the driveway would alter it working or not, they were both just terrain paints weren't they?
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2010, 11:59:26 AM »
No, the asphalt was tiles.

OK, I know what happened. It did, in fact, work as originally made! The first time I tested it my sim had her toddler with her, so she called a cab. I thought that was because she couldn't get her car out. Ugh!
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 09:03:25 AM »
Help!

I've used this method before, but I did it before building the rest of the building around it, this time I did the building first, and now trying to put stairs through a foundation to a basement. I got the stairs to the basement ok, but the (in theory easier) part of putting the stairs from the top of the foundation to the ground won't work. It says 'place on floor' or something similar.

Here's a screenshot -



As you can see, I've tried deleting the foundation out towards the edge of the building, I've experimented with deleting parts of the foundation around where I want the stairs to go, but nothing will let the stairs click into place.  :-\

Any other ideas?

Edit: eek, I seem to have posted in the wrong place, I thought I was posting in the sticky topic about this. D'oh.

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Basements under foundations tutorial
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2012, 05:45:57 AM »
YAY! I've been battling with this! Thank you Norma for this tutorial! All this helpful information on the forum will make a builder out of me yet :D


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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2012, 11:45:48 AM »
(...) It says 'place on floor' or something similar.

Here's a screenshot -




Decima, if you're still having problems with this try covering the ground with floor tiles. My game never allows me to place stairs down onto the grass when it's within walls like in your picture. Something about it being indoors or something is my guess. The floor tiles can be deleted after the stairs are placed.


@ Twinmun: There is a thread somewhere (I'll see if I can find it and attach a link for you) where it shows - I think I did the pictures - that you can place stairs from a foundation down into the basement in one piece by holding down the 'Shift' key while placing the stairs. I haven't done it since then so I don't know if a patch has changed that.
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 12:51:10 PM »
Thanks, I'll give it a go!  :D

 

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