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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #200 on: September 12, 2012, 10:20:36 AM »
This is great information!  Very useful - can I say "Amazing"?  ;)

Thanks to everyone and special thanks and welcome to razzle and hmsdrco!  I'm going to ask Carl to take a look at this as he may want to update the Guide.
 
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #201 on: September 12, 2012, 08:54:20 PM »
There is a link to this thread in the guide, but I do have some updated information. I believe that the fruit values are flawed due to the way that they were calculated. That, and the game code has a nectar value for most fruits in the code in the ingredients _XML. There isn't a nectar value for bananas, but they can be used.

apple: 3
lime: 7
flame fruit: 18
grapes: 4
watermelon: 7
lifefruit: 22
avornalino: 5
gralladina fran: 5
cherimiola blan: 8
cranerlet nuala: 10
meloire: 12
renoit: 16
pomegranate: 6
plum: 7
pomelo: 12
cherries: 9
plasma: 18

taste multipliers (minimum)

terrible: 0.5
not very good: 0.9
pretty good: 1.1
great: 1.3
amazing: 1.5

skill level multipliers on quality:

0: 0.2
1: 0.3
2: 0.4
3: 0.6
4: 1
5: 1.15
6: 1.3
7: 1.5
8: 1.75
9: 2.05
10: 2.5

At level 10 nectar gets a value multiplier of 1.5

The maximum multiplier for combinations (ie, more than one type of fruit) is 1.75

There is a global variance of .332- .334

I'm not entirely sure what all that translates to exactly, but it might help to apply accurate figures to what others have worked out by trial and error.
From what I have read, it is impossible to work backwards to predict the value of fruit combinations because of the global variance.

gnowor has the best (though very technical) explanation on page 2 of this thread, judging by what I see in the code and what he's worked out from that.



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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #202 on: September 12, 2012, 09:19:12 PM »
I'm very sure I had some Amazing recipes with bananas, limes, and flame fruit. Of course they've been appreciating for over 8 weeks in game,and my nectar maker is dead. I can give percentages if you don't mind the original value being absent.
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #203 on: September 13, 2012, 04:35:40 AM »
So for 17 different fruits (from base to Showtime), with order unimportant and repetition allowed...

There are 5,311,735 different nectar combinations?

I do not think I can survive trying to actually make every single combination. :(

challenge accepted! (unfortunately the calculator only goes up to 1 million. I need to find another calculator lol)

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« Reply #204 on: September 13, 2012, 05:36:21 AM »
You have my respect, brave fruit stomper. Ohio gusaimaso... *Bows out of the scary challenge*
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #205 on: September 13, 2012, 02:22:09 PM »
challenge accepted! (unfortunately the calculator only goes up to 1 million. I need to find another calculator lol)

Good luck! (I think I'd drive my boyfriend somewhat mad if I tried this.)

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #206 on: September 13, 2012, 10:23:33 PM »
I can't find a calculator that goes above 1mil :( And excel only goes up to 65536 apparently.



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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #207 on: September 13, 2012, 10:33:39 PM »
I can't find a calculator that goes above 1mil :( And excel only goes up to 65536 apparently.

Multiple sheets in one book maybe? You could sort by the first fruit in each recipe.

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #208 on: September 13, 2012, 10:54:31 PM »
The trouble is I need to do it in one calculation with a macro. I don't think I could get it to list the results over several sheets. That figure is just what I found out while I was looking for a way to do it in excel, and found a macro that someone made. Even so, the macro didn't allow for repetition - I'd have to type each fruit represented by a letter, 10 times each. Unless I can find another program to do it, I might be stuck with being selective about what fruits I include, or trying to do it myself (too much room for error that way I think!)

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #209 on: September 16, 2012, 04:50:05 AM »
For those of you who use mods, you can use a mod to help with this: Nectar Combinatorics by Buzzler.

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #210 on: October 28, 2012, 09:53:26 PM »
Off and on, I have been testing out Plasma Nectar Recipes as I wanted my Vampire Sims to have more than just the "6 life, 3 Flame, 1 Plasma" Nectar to drink.  Since I never see Plasma Nectar recipes posted I figured I would share mine.  Sadly, I have only ever been able to find one amazing reciepe, but I have found plenty of great recipes!

Amazing
1 Pomegranate, 9 Plasma

Great
5 Pomelo, 5 Plasma
7 Reniot. 3 Plasma
4 Flame, 3 Meloire, 3 Plasma
4 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Gralladina
4 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Apple
1 Life, 3 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Gralladina
1 Life, 3 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Cherries
1 Life, 3 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Cherimola
1 Life, 3 Flame, 4 Plasma, 2 Avorlino
1 Life, 3 Flame, 2 Plasma, 4 Cranerlet
3 Avorlino, 2 Plasma, 3 life, 2 flame
3 Meloire, 2 Plasma, 3 life, 2 flame
4 Cherimola, 2 plasma, 2 life,  2 flame
4 Avorlino, 2 plasma, 2 life,  2 flame
2 Meloire, 1 Plasma, 5 life, 2 Flame
2 Grapes, 1 Plasma, 5 life, 2 flame
3 Pomegranate, 6 Plasma, 1 Flame
3 Watermelon, 3 Lime, 2 Life, 1 Flame, 1 Plasma
1 Cherries, 9 Plasma
1 Plasma, 3 Meloire, 6 cranerlet
1 Plasma, 3 Cherries, 6 Renoit
1 Plasma, 2 Cherries, 4 Meloire, 3 Renoit
3 Plasma, 3 Cranerlet, 2 Pomelo, 2 Meloire

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #211 on: November 23, 2012, 10:23:01 PM »
Quick question: Are we SURE that the order in which fruit is put in doesn't matter for quality?

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #212 on: November 28, 2012, 09:59:59 AM »
I am shore that order in which you put fruit doesn't matter for the quality of nectar. At least it didn't before last few patches, but no reason for it to be changed.

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2012, 12:13:08 PM »
Thank you very much, that was the only thing troubling me :)


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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #214 on: December 16, 2012, 09:58:01 AM »
Has anyone tried making nectar with the lemons and eggplants that came with the Al Fresco Street Market?  It would never have occurred to me to make eggplant nectar, but I've just been playing a Sim in France and found eggplant blends turning up at the nectary (lemon blends as well).  I'm wondering if anyone has discovered any amazing blends with eggplants or lemons.

And I can't help wondering what eggplant nectar tastes like ...  :P
 
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #215 on: December 16, 2012, 06:12:30 PM »
lol ewww. I wonder if they have a new recipe for Moussaka - that is the only recipe I can think of that uses it. I haven't got the set yet, but I plan to. I can't imagine how many combinations that will bump up the combination calculator to! The online one already won't make a list for me because there are too many!

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #216 on: December 31, 2012, 08:44:51 AM »
Wait, so what I'm hearing is that there are 19 different fruits now (with the street market) would that give us 19^10 combinations of fruit?

I think that's only 6.13 trillion combinations.  :o

edit; nvm, had managed to skip the 'alphabetized' part of the recipie list. whew. :D

Edit 2: According to: http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html we get 13,123,110 combinations.

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #217 on: December 31, 2012, 09:06:22 AM »
Thirteen million combinations?  Well, there's a challenging project for someone with the Perfectionist trait, testing all those!

Considering how many possible combinations there are to test, I'm impressed that so many Amazing and other high-grade combinations have been discovered.

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #218 on: December 31, 2012, 02:30:53 PM »
I did happen to try and put in eggplant in the nectar maker and it didn't go.  I am just now getting back into nectar making, but I did try the eggplant. :)
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #219 on: December 31, 2012, 02:39:18 PM »
I did happen to try and put in eggplant in the nectar maker and it didn't go.  I am just now getting back into nectar making, but I did try the eggplant. :)

It didn't go?  How odd.  I know I've seen several different eggplant nectars in my game.  I wonder what's up with that.
 
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #220 on: December 31, 2012, 10:55:03 PM »
Not sure, but I tried to move it from the inventory to the panel for the nectar maker and it didn't go.  I will try it again, just to be sure. :)
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #221 on: January 01, 2013, 12:48:35 AM »
Silly question time. We can build four levels of basements. Does the level of the basemen where the aging takes place have any affect on the aging process? And/Or does having the nectar machines in the basement have any affect. I ask, as, it has been posted that 653 for a single bottle of 9 life / 1 pomegranate using concentrated and Flavor enhancement was really good, and on my first go with all those factors, I got 657. I'm wondering if the skill of the handyman doing the upgrade may alter the multiplier?

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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #222 on: January 01, 2013, 08:23:00 PM »
Not sure, but I tried to move it from the inventory to the panel for the nectar maker and it didn't go.  I will try it again, just to be sure. :)

I found out that you cannot put eggplant in nectar maker or pumpkin, that sounds disgusting anyway, lol.  Just wanted to say that I did test it and no go.  I suppose they are considered veggies anyway. :)
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #223 on: January 01, 2013, 08:26:51 PM »
I found out that you cannot put eggplant in nectar maker or pumpkin, that sounds disgusting anyway, lol.  Just wanted to say that I did test it and no go.  I suppose they are considered veggies anyway. :)

Well, yeah, it makes sense that you wouldn't make nectar with vegetables.  That's why I was really surprised when I found those eggplant blends at the Nectary.  Maybe the professional nectar-makers are the only ones who know the secret of transforming eggplant into something drinkable.  I'll have to have my Sims try the nectar and see what they think of it.   :D

Thanks for testing this, Salty, although I'm quite mystified as to why one can buy eggplant nectar but it isn't possible to make it.
 
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Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #224 on: January 02, 2013, 12:18:38 PM »
I guess it is the same with the grape pancakes, they just show up, but you cannot put the ingredients in them.
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