Author Topic: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes  (Read 219762 times)

Laure

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2009, 12:26:45 AM »
Hello,

I wanted to thank you for the all tips posted and I wanted to share a successful recipe I found. 2 cherries plus 8 flame fruit creates an Amazing nectar. My level 10 sim has made a batch worth 399 per bottle. She used perfect flame fruit, but cherries were only "nice".  So, I think it is room for improvement. Good luck.

Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2009, 07:35:32 PM »
Hello,

I wanted to thank you for the all tips posted and I wanted to share a successful recipe I found. 2 cherries plus 8 flame fruit creates an Amazing nectar. My level 10 sim has made a batch worth 399 per bottle. She used perfect flame fruit, but cherries were only "nice".  So, I think it is room for improvement. Good luck.

Hi Laura,

I just tried your recipe using perfect Flame Fruit and perfect Cherries and mine was worth $449 per bottle!  :o So yes, there was definitely room for improvement!  ;D  Great combo!!  Thank you!  ;D

< br/>
Registered members do not see ads on this Forum. Register here.

Leto85

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2009, 11:44:14 AM »
I don't think I saw any at all in egypt, I was looking for cherries. I still don't have them to try in combinations. The food vendor in the city was gone for all of 3 days 1 trip, and 3 days another trip. I didn't let it go past 3. Very annoying.

As soon when I find a cherrie in someone's trashcan in Egypt (which was of horible quality) the store also begon to sell them. The quality there was normal/ nice (don't quite sure how the English term is) and from that one I was able to grow better ones.
So If you didn't find any, look in someone's trashcan to 'unlock' it in the store.
Hope this helps.

Maui

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2009, 03:51:55 PM »
Came across 2 Great recipes I haven't seen posted any where:
6 Plums + 3 Gralladina Fran Grapes + 1 Avornalino Grape
9 Regular Grapes + 1 Pomelo

I can see the viability of the second one here as an alternative option to the 5apple 5renoit for starting out, as you'll also be working toward getting a perfect pomelo (5th highest base value on the ingredient list) while creating it to get your nectaring skill up and maintaining a relatively equal value wine (70.3 base value * Great modifier for this recipe vs 72 base value * Amazing modifier on the apple-renoit combo).

I'm still fooling around looking for my first original amazing combination, I'll report back in with any further recipes I come across.  This is quite simply the most interesting thing in the expansion, and all of its complexities must be explored!  Lets continue working outside the box and get this complex system analyzed!

Maui

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 06:20:25 PM »
Keep your eyes peeled on this thread, I'm about 1 week away from posting a massive wall of text that will help everyone out.  Still finishing the data, and I'm trying to mathematically relate the information to see if there is a way to predict amazing combinations that are unusual.  If anyone comes across more amazing combinations outside of the ones posted thusfar, please post them as it may help me in my attempts to crack the code behind this!  (I'm a mathematician; I know someone better in programming may be able to just crack the game code to find this stuff out but I'm trying to do it old-school)

Offline Carl

  • Webmaster
  • Administrator
  • Watcher
  • ******
  • Posts: 3743
    • Carl's Sims 4 Guide
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2009, 09:24:30 PM »
Keep your eyes peeled on this thread, I'm about 1 week away from posting a massive wall of text that will help everyone out.  Still finishing the data, and I'm trying to mathematically relate the information to see if there is a way to predict amazing combinations that are unusual.  If anyone comes across more amazing combinations outside of the ones posted thusfar, please post them as it may help me in my attempts to crack the code behind this!  (I'm a mathematician; I know someone better in programming may be able to just crack the game code to find this stuff out but I'm trying to do it old-school)

Sounds great. I'd love to add them to the main page as well.

Maui

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »
The first one is: 4 Life Fruit/3 Cherimola Blan/3 Meloire.  All are "perfect" fruit, made by a level 10 nectar maker.  The blend is classified as "Perfect" and was worth $330 per bottle right out of the nectar maker.  I will check on its "aged" value in a Sim week.  UPDATE: 3 Sim weeks later it's now worth $706

The 2nd one is: 4 Life Fruit/3 Pomegranate/3 Plum.  Again, all "perfect fruit", made by a level 10 nectar maker.  The blend is also classified as "Perfect" and was worth $322 per bottle right out of the nectar maker.  Again, I will check in its "aged" value in a Sim week.  UPDATE: 3 Sim weeks later, it's now worth $575

I noticed this with some of my recipes too; although your 2 recipes started valued around 325$ when they first came out your getting drastic differences in the value as it ages ($706 vs $575 after the same time period).  Although the highest value nectar may already have been found, if there is other factors not factored in yet around how the aging process work there may be another combination that starts lower but ages better.  This is something I'm going to explore further once I finish my current goal of creating, charting, and providing the report on every single 2-ingredient combination available in the game!  Halfway there now, and came out with two amazing recipe I have yet to see posted:

9Plum + 1Lime = Amazing taste.
9Pomegranite + 1Flame Fruit = Amazing taste

Just so nobody is waisting time, thusfar I have not found any additional Amazing recipes outside of the ones above and ones listed by Chrys when combining 9&1 or 5&5 combos using two ingredients, although there are a multitude of great recipes to be found.  More details to follow, I estimate by saturday night I'll be ready to post my massive wall of text~

< br/>
Registered members do not see ads on this Forum. Register here.

lovergirl

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2009, 06:49:34 AM »
hy everyone . it's my first post on this forum. i love the game and to gardening. I want to have all the plants but i can't find the last one . if is someone to help me, please, i begging you. I want les meloir grapes. I've been looking after them a lot and i didn't find . I found the cranerlet nuala grapes and gralladine fran graps thanks to you but I don't want leave france without meloir grapes.

Offline Metropolis Man

  • Tournament/Dynasty Coordinator
  • Administrator
  • Watcher
  • ******
  • Posts: 10191
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2009, 07:20:43 AM »
Hi Lovergirl. Welcome to the forum.

You should be able to buy the Meloir grapes from the clerk at the nectary.

lovergirl

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2009, 07:32:56 AM »
That's the point! There's no meloir grapes! I bought from nectary cherimola blan grapes and renoit grapes. From garden i harvested avornalino grapes.
Is freaking me out cause I went for many times in France and no spots of meloir grapes.

Offline Metropolis Man

  • Tournament/Dynasty Coordinator
  • Administrator
  • Watcher
  • ******
  • Posts: 10191
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2009, 08:07:33 AM »
Ah, okay. I was getting Renoit and Meloir mixed up. I knew I had bought one of those from the Nectary. I'll fire up a character and do some snooping....

EDIT: Well, there's good news and bad news. The good news is....thanks to Carl's plants guide footnotes I read that you just need to walk up the dirt road that parallels the river. There's a large house with a garden and it will have the grapes. The bad news is the load time for the France screen took so long that I am now elderly and my children are taking me away to a retirement home. Goodbye everyone!

 

Ya Cheese Buddy

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2009, 09:50:03 AM »
Lol! Uncle Metro's funny :) Sims does take ages to load. I need the world's most experianced computer so it will cut off 98% of the loading time. Then it would only take, like, two hours!

lovergirl

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2009, 01:10:01 PM »
Thanks Metropolis Man! You're awesome! I found them. Stupid grapes. Now I have them all to make nectars. :D

Maui

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2009, 03:25:17 PM »
More details to follow, I estimate by saturday night I'll be ready to post my massive wall of text

Sorry for the delay folks, I've got about 3hrs worth of data collection left and I'm over-due on my original estimate.  If your family is anything like mine Christmas is basically a month-long affair...  I'm hoping to be ready to post my findings shortly, but this time I'll be smart and not give a timeframe!

Offline RockinRobin

  • Occult
  • ****
  • Posts: 280
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2009, 04:07:39 PM »
Here's another "Amazing" blend for those of you who want to try it:

6 Cherimola Grapes
4 Apples

In my game, it's called, "Audrey's Cheriapple Secret Blend" so don't tell anyone the recipe. <ssshhh>  8)

Offline Carl

  • Webmaster
  • Administrator
  • Watcher
  • ******
  • Posts: 3743
    • Carl's Sims 4 Guide
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2009, 08:36:16 PM »
I look forward to your data Maui. It'll compliment the work I've done recently. I've conducted some testing on my own and made a chart showing the various combinations of nectaration processes and handiness upgrades. I think I've hammered down which you should use with what type. see it here (under nectaration processes and handiness upgrades)

EDIT: By the way, so far my perfect high value nectar is still growing at the same pace.. 10% of original value. I wonder if there's some nuance to the system that causes worse tasting or lower quality recipes to stop being valuable after aging so long.

edi

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2009, 02:31:17 AM »
Great work all.

Came across an Amazing I haven't seen listed yet.

4 Meloire Grape, 3 Flame Fruit, 3 Gralladina Fran

Base price per bottle was $362 with perfect fruit, L10, Extended Nectration, with a machine set for improved flavor.

Offline Pam

  • Community Manager
  • Administrator
  • Watcher
  • ******
  • Posts: 15236
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2009, 01:34:02 PM »
Thanks edi and welcome to the Forum!
Read and heed the Forum Rules, please!

Support the site when you purchase online!
Dreamweaver Immortal Dynasty
Dreamweaver 4 x 4 Dynasty
Pam's Sims 4 World Blog

"Half of my posts are correcting people. The other 49% is moving threads."

edi

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2009, 11:18:00 PM »
Many thanks. Came following a link from snooty so... the benefits of friends, eh?

Loving this thread.

gnowor

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2009, 05:26:05 PM »
For those looking for a way to predict Nectar Flavor Quality (Amazing/Great/etc.), here's what I've found out after digging through the game's code.  There's no set table or way that EA determines the flavor quality.  Below is a long explanation as to why.

It takes the names of your 10 ingredients, lines them up alphabetically (e.g. "Apple, Apple, Grape, Grape, Grape, Life Fruit, etc."), and then dumps them into a "Randomizing" algorithm.  The reason I put random in quotes is because the same recipe will consistently produce the same flavor quality nectar (at least on the same computer).  (Sorry if I'm bursting anyone's bubble that random numbers generated from a computer aren't really random.)  As such, without replicating the Randomizing algorithm outside of the game, it's not possible to predict Flavor Quality (since changing one letter in one name would be sufficient to give you a completely different flavor quality, and we can't even do that - we have to change out a whole fruit).

Additionally, this may explain why amazing recipes vary on some people's computers.  I haven't taken a look at EA's Randomizing algorithm directly (I just see that they're using a function called "Random"), but I know from experience with other programs that random algorithms can either be implemented directly within the code of a program, or they can use something from the computer they're operating on in order to generate the random numbers.  Now, given the consistency that we've seen, I would think that the random algorithm they're using here is dependent only on their code, but perhaps within their code they do use something else besides just the formula to generate the random number (like a numeric value corresponding to the language you're using? - If the names they're using to generate the Apple, Apple, Grape, Grape list is based on the current user's language, this would seem very plausible.)

Anyway, I wasted a bunch of time on this and hopefully can save some people some time.  If anyone's ambitious and thinks they can replicate EA's randomizer code, I'll tell them where to find it.

gnowor

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2009, 05:58:11 PM »
The randomly generated value is used in two ways.

First off, it is the ONLY factor affecting flavor.  Amazing/Great/Terrible/etc. is all dependent on this flavor value.  It takes the string "Apple Apple Grape Grape etc." (I'm not sure exactly on the names/formating).  It hashes this value.  It then converts the hashed value to an integer and uses this as the seed for the Randomizer.  It then pulls out 3 floats from the Randomizer, and averages them.  If the number is less than .5, it multiplies it by two.  If the number is above .5, it subtracts .5 and then multiplies by 2.  It then adds the median combo multiplier (fixed value set internally but modifiable) to the product of (the Max combo multipler minus the median combo multiplier) and the value computed above.  It then compares this to it's internal threshold levels of .5, 1.2, 2.5 and 4 (these are individually modifiable as well).  Anything below .5 is terrible, .5-1.1999 is poor, 1.2-2.4999 is well, etc.

Now this value is also used as a multiplier (along with several other multipliers including whether you have flavorful feet, upgrades to nectar maker, your skill level, etc.) to determine the value of the bottle.  This does explain why there's variance within the Terrible, Great, Amazing, etc. ranges.  It's not using Amazing as a multiplier.  It's using the value determined above as a multiplier. Further explanation in P.P.S.

Hope this helps.

P.S.  I'm a little burnt out, so I'm not going to put a how-to guide on how to access all this information.  Do a google search on reflector (the app I'm using to look at files), and "sims 3" and that should get you started.  You'll also have to unpack some of the game files which you can do with s3pe.  When you get all that done, the info above is in "Sims3.Gameplay.Objects.HobbiesSkills.NectarMaker.NectarFinishTask".

P.P.S. Code for determining value:
float baseValue = ((((((num * num2) * num4) * this.mFlavorMultiplier) * num7) * kQualityLevelMultiplier[((int) num5) - 1]) * this.mMultiplierFromFeet) * makeStyleValueModifier;

num = sum of the internal nectar values associated with all ingredients (for example, apple is 5, life fruit is 22 - this is regardless of quality)
num2 = Random Multiplier (although it's constrained to a range that's set by other constants)
num4 = skill multiplier
FlavorMultiplier = Whether the nectar maker is flavor upgraded (1 if not, more if it is)
num7 = the long "taste" multiplier i talked about at beginning of post
QualityLevelMultiplier & num5 = Multiplier based on quality of produce
MultiplierFromFeet = Flavorful feet multiplier (1 if regular feet, more if sim is challenged [pun intended])
MakeStyleModifier = Multiplier based on the kind of nectar you made (extended, concentrated, mass produce, etc.)


bshag

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2009, 12:39:18 PM »
Wow gnowor...that's some post there. :D  I'm way not that scientific...glad someone is.  :D

I have a receipe that came out of an improved pressing nectar-maker by a sim with L10 in nectar-making.  I'm stumped as how the game calls a nectar "pretty good" and it comes out of the maker as perfect.  ::)  Also, how do you guys get nectar to come out being $300 a bottle and her perfect nectar came out only $178?  I'm depressed... :D

Anywho, the receipe is 3 cranulet/3 cherry/4 flame fruit.

A little off the subject but EA isn't fooling anybody.  :D  My sim will pour herself the "nectar" sit and swirl the glass and sniff it...just like you would do wine.  Nice try EA!  :D

gnowor

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2009, 04:41:34 PM »
The quality (Perfect, Outstanding, Excellent, Great, Very Nice, Nice, Normal, etc.) is determined by your skill level and the quality of ingredients.

The "Pretty good" that you get when the nectar is made and comes out of the nectar maker is produced by the randomizer I explained above.  It refers to the taste of the nectar.  Short version: The game has random values assigned to each different recipe.  You cannot predict these values (other than by predict combo effectiveness).  The game will use this "pretty good" rating of the TASTE (which is different that the quality listed above).  This pretty good factors into the value along with the quality of the nectar.

The highest priced bottle of nectar will need to have many things, including high cost ingredients (life fruit, flame fruit, etc.), Perfect quality, Amazing Taste (as opposed to the pretty good that you got), L10 sim with flavored feet, upgraded nectar maker, and I bet I'm forgetting other factors as well.  For each one of these qualities that you're missing, or is reduced in value (maybe Excellent Quality and pretty good taste and level 7 nectar maker), the value of the bottle will suffer.  Hope this helps!

bshag

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2009, 12:36:59 AM »
Thanks for the explanation and it does clear some things up.  I guess she just needs to keep making nectar and combining the flame and life fruits along with the more rare of the grapes to get a really high priced bottle of wine, er, um nectar.  :D

PrairieGhost

  • Guest
Re: Share Your Nectar Making Recipes
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2009, 06:53:02 AM »
I didn't see this listed, so I thought I'd share... I created a sort of cherry limeade with 5 cherries and 5 limes, and it turned out Great. :3