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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #125 on: May 03, 2020, 08:04:35 AM »
I have a very complicated plan for this challenge.

I have an excel spreadsheet, word document, a powerpoint, an access database and a trello board. I have cross referenced across everything using binary code. Then I incorporate the hexidecimal color codes and run queries using php and perl not to mention an HTML webpage styled with CSS, coded by hand, none of this wordpress templates, thank you very much. Finally I look over it all and decide, this has all been a waste and get rid of it all and instead wait for the first day of the challenge and pants the challenge all the way to the end and end up with a glorious score of almost zero.

Sounds like you have been reading my notes.  The plan always falls apart the instant the sims are allowed freewill.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #126 on: May 03, 2020, 12:22:03 PM »
Townies can only be moved in game right? So via ask to move in getting married or buying a house.

You can ask to move in, get married, buy a house, or use Manage Households.  All are acceptable.

And all of these are only for Original Townies in actual houses/apartments and absolutely no Homeless, right? For example, we cannot ask the bartender at The Blue Velvet to move in, right?



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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #127 on: May 03, 2020, 12:28:24 PM »

And all of these are only for Original Townies in actual houses/apartments and absolutely no Homeless, right? For example, we cannot ask the bartender at The Blue Velvet to move in, right?

Right...

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #128 on: May 03, 2020, 03:08:38 PM »
Quick question can townies who are elderly and unable to reproduce naturally adopt so long as they complete the other requirements of soul mates etc etc

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I see no reason to not allow that. Just make sure they have their Life Alerts on when junior needs a diaper change..."I've fallen and I can't get up!"


So in my test file, I had an Elder couple adopt 2 NooBoos on Day 1, then left them to fend for themselves while populating more of the worlds. I checked on their household at the end of week 2 and their house was empty - the Elders obviously died and the children were not old enough to live alone.

My question is this: Do we still get to count the 2 NooBoos that were adopted?

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #129 on: May 03, 2020, 03:28:11 PM »
So in my test file, I had an Elder couple adopt 2 NooBoos on Day 1, then left them to fend for themselves while populating more of the worlds. I checked on their household at the end of week 2 and their house was empty - the Elders obviously died and the children were not old enough to live alone.

My question is this: Do we still get to count the 2 NooBoos that were adopted?


Hmmm...this is kind of a tough call. On the one hand, you put in the legwork and had them adopt. So, why wouldn't you count them? On the other hand, players are taking a snapshot of all worlds at the end for their score. You would have nothing to score in that house. Let's see what other team members say.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #130 on: May 03, 2020, 04:48:24 PM »
So in my test file, I had an Elder couple adopt 2 NooBoos on Day 1, then left them to fend for themselves while populating more of the worlds. I checked on their household at the end of week 2 and their house was empty - the Elders obviously died and the children were not old enough to live alone.

My question is this: Do we still get to count the 2 NooBoos that were adopted?


Hmmm...this is kind of a tough call. On the one hand, you put in the legwork and had them adopt. So, why wouldn't you count them? On the other hand, players are taking a snapshot of all worlds at the end for their score. You would have nothing to score in that house. Let's see what other team members say.

Your score is taken at the end of the challenge. So I would say they do not count if they are not there.
Else it could become rather complicated to keep track of the score through the whole challenge.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2020, 05:03:01 PM »
I just finished reading through all the questions and would like to confirm our settings.
We are playing households in rotation but aging continues like in non-rotational gameplay, is that correct?

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #132 on: May 04, 2020, 05:19:57 PM »
I just finished reading through all the questions and would like to confirm our settings.
We are playing households in rotation but aging continues like in non-rotational gameplay, is that correct?

Auto-age (Played sims): Yes
Auto-age (Unplayed Sims): checked

Yes, those are the correct settings.

@mismck, I would agree with Lena. Your score is what you have at the end of the game. Your strategy needs to account for the fact that elders will die.
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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #133 on: May 04, 2020, 07:43:13 PM »
I would agree with Lena. Your score is what you have at the end of the game. Your strategy needs to account for the fact that elders will die.

This kinds of makes me think of a bit of a song from Jesus Christ Superstar - I give you over to Caiaphus and his fellow chief priests/Pharisees

"Will die will die, some elders will die, when planning your strategies, remember some elders will, elders will, elders will die!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN4TxOd9I8Q for the song in full.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #134 on: May 05, 2020, 04:48:55 AM »

"Will die will die, some elders will die, when planning your strategies, remember some elders will, elders will, elders will die!"


@Deklitch That is the perfect theme for this! LOL  :D

I believe I have now sufficiently planned for my Elders inevitable deaths. My spreadsheet is now ready for execution. Now waiting impatiently for the 11th to start my game file.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #135 on: May 05, 2020, 08:59:27 AM »
Elders demise was one of the things I actually have planned for I may have gone on a half price shopping spree and now own a lot of new to me content to play with.  Edit I have lots of new content for my sim obsessed daughter to play with  ;)

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2020, 06:21:58 AM »
I modified the following rule in case anyone had the sneaky idea to turn their townies into Vampires. ;)

  • Only original townie families can be played, and they must be played as is - no gender changing and no life state changing. No homeless Sims.



Lena just reminded me of the new June expansion pack, so that needs to be nixed for this event as well...

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #137 on: May 08, 2020, 04:12:20 PM »
The rules state that a couple of potential parents in a household must be good friends with all babies before adding more.   If a baby ages up to toddler before this happens, can the potential parents continue to schmooze with the toddler or are they out of luck for having more babies of their own?

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #138 on: May 08, 2020, 05:02:28 PM »
The rules state that a couple of potential parents in a household must be good friends with all babies before adding more.   If a baby ages up to toddler before this happens, can the potential parents continue to schmooze with the toddler or are they out of luck for having more babies of their own?


It's a requirement that needs to be in place before babies are added, so they'd be out of luck.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #139 on: May 09, 2020, 11:40:29 AM »
Does this mean that if you do not get to good friends with any offspring at the baby life stage you cannot have anymore children with that particular family.
Also if a sim adopts a baby do the parents need to be good friends with that baby before adopting a second.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #140 on: May 09, 2020, 12:03:04 PM »
Does this mean that if you do not get to good friends with any offspring at the baby life stage you cannot have anymore children with that particular family.
Also if a sim adopts a baby do the parents need to be good friends with that baby before adopting a second.

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I think that's a yes to both.
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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #141 on: May 09, 2020, 12:06:36 PM »
I have a question. Does this rule -- If you want to move a sim out of a household, you must do that before you play the household. -- include going into build/buy mode?
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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #142 on: May 09, 2020, 12:23:35 PM »
I have a question. Does this rule -- If you want to move a sim out of a household, you must do that before you play the household. -- include going into build/buy mode?

Well, remember -- no structural changes to any lot, so building is off limits.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #143 on: May 09, 2020, 12:26:06 PM »
I have a question. Does this rule -- If you want to move a sim out of a household, you must do that before you play the household. -- include going into build/buy mode?

Well, remember -- no structural changes to any lot, so building is off limits.
I was thinking more of buy mode.
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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #144 on: May 09, 2020, 12:28:04 PM »
@MarianT thank you I was just adopting one baby per parent in practice and not befriending anyone  I'm glad I realised that was not allowed before starting my real game file.
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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #145 on: May 09, 2020, 12:31:51 PM »
Right, so I've finally got round to thinking about what my strategy for this logic puzzle challenge might be, by which I mean I've started a new page in my tournament spreadsheet with the mantra "EACH SIM CAN ONLY MOVE ONCE" written in large type across the top row... and, inevitably, I've come up with a whole heap of questions...
  • This isn't so much a question as a quick verification, but still: since it's permissible to move an sim into a previously empty home in order to start a new household, this is presumably an exception to the rule that says I must "immediately put them in any home" - if done through Manage Households, the sim in question has to briefly be Not In World in order to form their new household. Thus, as an example, if I were to move Summer Holiday out of the BFF household, I would have to immediately select her new Holiday household and then "Move Household into a lot" - it would clearly not be okay to leave her Not In World while I moved Dennis Kim out of the SKLs and into hers.
  • Are there any restrictions on the amount of cash a sim can move out with? For instance, if Jacques Villareal does a runner from his kids, leaving them to fend for themselves on the Von-Windenburg estate, could he take all of the Villareal household's initial §65,000 with him?
  • When a sim moves out of their original household and into a previously empty home, must they buy it furnished or can I select "unfurnished" instead? Since no structural changes are allowed, bulldozing is obviously a no-go, but since selling objects in the home is permitted in the main...
  • Is there any obligation to play a sim after moving them out of their original household? For instance, say Vivian Lewis decided she needed some peace and quiet in her final ye- uh, days; could she buy Crick Cabana and enjoy a pleasant retirement there without me ever having to bother her?
  • If there's still an empty space in a household after I've moved on from it, can I move a sim from a household I'm about to play into this space using Manage Households, a process that would not require that I play the household for a second time? Example: suppose I force the Pancakes to have five babies, then decide my work there is done. Back in Manage Worlds, I look at the SKLs, and see that Vivian is still alive. In this hypothetical she doesn't get a peaceful retirement; rather, I use Manage Households to put her in with the Pancakes, then continue on with the SKL household.
  • How do I treat the premade sims that live in university accomodation? They form two households (Fletcher for Cameron Fletcher and Best Of Friends for Julia Wright & Becca Clarke) and aren't technically homeless, but since you cannot use Manage Households to move sims into university lots outside of enrollment, they would have to use their one permitted move to go off-campus... not to mention the fact that they can't adopt/get pregnant there...
As always, thanks in advance - I'm probably not going to tackle this challenge right away when it starts, so don't feel pressured into a rapid response to my text wall, but having spent a little time mulling it over now I reckon it'll be a blast!

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #146 on: May 09, 2020, 12:49:49 PM »
Does this mean that if you do not get to good friends with any offspring at the baby life stage you cannot have anymore children with that particular family.
Also if a sim adopts a baby do the parents need to be good friends with that baby before adopting a second.

Rachel

I think that's a yes to both.

So would this mean that if we choose to play the Bheeda family, we would need to start playing their household before the baby that Jesminder is pregnant with on Day 1 ages up to Toddler?
I would assume all other households that start off with offspring (Goth, Landgraab, Spencer-Kim-Lewis, etc.) are fine to play since those kids were never at the Baby stage of life.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #147 on: May 09, 2020, 02:52:36 PM »
I have a question. Does this rule -- If you want to move a sim out of a household, you must do that before you play the household. -- include going into build/buy mode?

Well, remember -- no structural changes to any lot, so building is off limits.
I was thinking more of buy mode.
No, you can go into buy mode whenever you want.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #148 on: May 09, 2020, 03:20:25 PM »
This isn't so much a question as a quick verification, but still: since it's permissible to move an sim into a previously empty home in order to start a new household, this is presumably an exception to the rule that says I must "immediately put them in any home" - if done through Manage Households, the sim in question has to briefly be Not In World in order to form their new household. Thus, as an example, if I were to move Summer Holiday out of the BFF household, I would have to immediately select her new Holiday household and then "Move Household into a lot" - it would clearly not be okay to leave her Not In World while I moved Dennis Kim out of the SKLs and into hers.
The key is that all moves have to made in one session in Manage Worlds/Manage Households.  The order doesn't really matter, you just can't to back to Live mode and then go back into Manage World/Manage Households to make more moves with the same sims.  Please let me know if this is still confusing.

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[Are there any restrictions on the amount of cash a sim can move out with? For instance, if Jacques Villareal does a runner from his kids, leaving them to fend for themselves on the Von-Windenburg estate, could he take all of the Villareal household's initial §65,000 with him?
No restrictions on how much money they take.

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When a sim moves out of their original household and into a previously empty home, must they buy it furnished or can I select "unfurnished" instead? Since no structural changes are allowed, bulldozing is obviously a no-go, but since selling objects in the home is permitted in the main...
They do not have to buy it furnished.
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Is there any obligation to play a sim after moving them out of their original household? For instance, say Vivian Lewis decided she needed some peace and quiet in her final ye- uh, days; could she buy Crick Cabana and enjoy a pleasant retirement there without me ever having to bother her?
There's no rule that you have to play a sim that you move out, only that you have to move them into a house.

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If there's still an empty space in a household after I've moved on from it, can I move a sim from a household I'm about to play into this space using Manage Households, a process that would not require that I play the household for a second time? Example: suppose I force the Pancakes to have five babies, then decide my work there is done. Back in Manage Worlds, I look at the SKLs, and see that Vivian is still alive. In this hypothetical she doesn't get a peaceful retirement; rather, I use Manage Households to put her in with the Pancakes, then continue on with the SKL household.
A sim that you want to move out can be moved to any household, including one that you've already played.

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How do I treat the premade sims that live in university accomodation? They form two households (Fletcher for Cameron Fletcher and Best Of Friends for Julia Wright & Becca Clarke) and aren't technically homeless, but since you cannot use Manage Households to move sims into university lots outside of enrollment, they would have to use their one permitted move to go off-campus... not to mention the fact that they can't adopt/get pregnant there...
They are considered starting townie sims because they are there at the beginning of every game and living on a lot, but as you said, they would only get one move to an off-campus lot and then couldn't move again.

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Re: 2020 Mid-Season Major: A Townie Baby Boomer!
« Reply #149 on: May 09, 2020, 03:22:39 PM »
Does this mean that if you do not get to good friends with any offspring at the baby life stage you cannot have anymore children with that particular family.
Also if a sim adopts a baby do the parents need to be good friends with that baby before adopting a second.

Rachel

I think that's a yes to both.

So would this mean that if we choose to play the Bheeda family, we would need to start playing their household before the baby that Jesminder is pregnant with on Day 1 ages up to Toddler?
I would assume all other households that start off with offspring (Goth, Landgraab, Spencer-Kim-Lewis, etc.) are fine to play since those kids were never at the Baby stage of life.

Yes, and thank you for the very clear way you explained this.  :)