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Sims 4 - First Impressions
« on: September 02, 2014, 01:20:08 AM »
Share your first impressions of The Sims 4 here, once you've got the game in hand. This will help others decide if the game is right for them and give us all ideas on how to use the new systems!

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 02:30:41 AM »
All in all I find it very entertaining.  The facial expressions and emotions are really different than we are use to.  It is time for bed now, but I did manage to take a couple of screenshots.  I love the sitting on bed interaction.
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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 03:28:36 AM »
Played  around for an hour and goodness.  With free will on high you have to *monitor* your sims if you're trying to achieve something, like talk to someone long enough to make a friend.  They will quickly decide they'd like to wander off and look at a painting or read or anything other than keep up the conversation and chess game you queued up for them.  Building a friendship is much slower too, especially if you've gotten used to meeting someone and getting married in the same sim day.  There is an option to turn free will off for whatever sim you're directly managing, allowing the rest of the household to go on with their day while you keep your targeted sim on task.  Very useful, especially if you're trying to get job related tasks done.

Haven't played much with the build menu yet, but it is very easy to pop in, grab what you want to buy and pop out again.   Took some poking but use the . or , to rotate an object before placing, was a frustrating few minutes key pressing to find it.
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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 06:40:17 AM »
Just some thoughts after ~4 hours of play -

Emotions : The system is fairly intuitive. The only complaint I have with it is that it by default only shows the moodlets that are associated with the current mood. The rest are just thin bars. Fortunately you can expand them. Unfortunately, the moment anything at all changes in the listing, they all collapse back down to the colored bars. If I opened them up, they should stay open until I close them.

Skills : I rather like the fact that the higher level books can (technically) be read at low skill levels. Of course, they don't actually help you. Instead you get a negative moodlet from the confusion of trying to understand something WAY over your head. Also, from a Sims3 point of view we actually have far more skills than the list looks like as the current skills are in some cases a combination of multiple S3 skills. Handiness, as an example, is the S3 handiness PLUS S3 sculpting.

Loading Screens : They only lasted around 10 seconds or so for me, so I am perfectly happy to live with them.

Action Queues : Sadly, they only allow 5 actions beyond whatever actions(s) you are currently engaged in. Additionally, the game does some rather bad things with managing the queue. Getting out of bed seems to always clear the queue, which means my old habit of setting up the first few actions of their day while they sleep must become a thing of the past. Orders to go eat something seem to get pushed to the top. As an example I ordered a sim to use the bathroom, eat, then go out and do a few gardening tasks. Instead of doing them in that order, eating came last, even though his hunger was already down at the low end of the yellow range.

Relationships : I have mixed feeling about the apparently lower speed at which the relationships improve, but I really like the split Friendship and Romance bars.

CAS : Not really fond of the changes, probably never will be.

Library : There is one big flaw in it. If you want to reuse a household, it requires you to save a new copy before you can place it. I really don't need more than one copy of a given person in there. Sure, I can go back and delete it later but that is just bad design.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 07:08:37 AM »
Yewww, I'm not going to be happy with the moodlet panel either, and will be seeking a mod/fix. Same goes for the action queues. I think many simmers like to queue up a list of actions for sims to do after getting out of bed. The dual relationship bar is similar to that of Sims 2, as is the handiness skill and the library problem.

I look forward to reading more of everyone's observations! Keep me entertained while I wait for my own copy :D (either from hubby as a *surprise* or for Christmas when I get spending money).

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 08:58:02 AM »
I've been doing an 8-person household in Sims 3 and then this morning in Sims 4 for comparison.

8 people in Sims 3 get $30,500 to begin with; in TS4 it's $34,000.
A 50x50 lot in TS3 is $5000; in TS4, a 40x30 lot (the largest empty lot I could find; it was in Oasis Springs) is $5500.
I used blueprints in TS3; the cheapest bathroom, 2nd cheapest kitchen, and 3 of the 2nd cheapest bedrooms came to $19,268.
In TS4, I used 2 of the cheapest bathroom, the 2nd cheapest kitchen, 2 of the 2nd cheapest bedrooms, 2 of the cheapest bedrooms, and the cheapest living room and put together a house that cost $25,136.

I still haven't put a roof on. When I tried, I screwed up the interior of the house somehow. I don't know if that's a glitch or my ineptitude. I'm getting used to the camera; the most annoying thing is that you can't edge-scroll at the bottom of the screen. Putting siding on the outside is a mixed bag. You can have it automatically finish off the corners, but holding down the shift button only covers the exterior of a room rather than the whole house.

Being able to put a foundation underneath is wonderful; so is being able to move the whole house. I think I'll like being able to rotate objects by using the . and , once I get used to doing that; it works much better than what I used in TS3. (Now if I can just figure out the roof...)

I've put each of my sims in each of the 8 career tracks. They pick up skills very quickly, mainly because you're notified of that as soon as they start working on one. In my TS3 game, it took me until 5:30 pm to get everyone employed (the self-employed painter and writer had to get their skill points). In TS4, everyone was employed by noon. In TS3, I gave them a computer, an easel, a chess set, a treadmill and a gnubb set. In TS4, they have a computer, an easel, a chess set, a punching bag, and an observatory.

Sims get focused by using the observatory. My painter sim has the perfectionist trait, and he got embarrassed by how awful his first painting was (it was only okay) and had to go hide under the covers. I gave him a pep talk at the mirror, though, and he's fine now. It costs money now to paint -- $50 for a small, $75 for a medium, and $100 for a large. On the other hand, my sim's first painting sold for $74, for a profit of $24.

I really like the look of the game, and I'm going to enjoy playing with emotions. Are they smarter? Apparently they don't react to fights or deaths in their vicinity, and someone reported that a woman walked in on her cheating husband without reacting either. On the other hand, last night when my sim started a conversation with a woman in the museum's bathroom and several other people walked in as well, making it quite crowded, my sim and the person she was talking to exited on their own. There might have been some clipping; I didn't notice because I was so surprised.


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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 10:09:29 AM »
Okay, I am going to ask a noob question after playing a few hours, but I am wondering if I can start on Sunday at 8:00 AM in one particular house for a 2nd household. I started at a given house played for 4 days, and then created another household and wanted to move them into the same house and start over fresh on Sunday. I had to evict the first family I created, but then when my 2nd family moved in it was Thursday. So I am wondering how to wipe the neighborhood clean and start over.



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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 10:18:55 AM »
I play on my work laptop and although I can play Sims 3 on it, it is fairly jerky and I have to keep the graphics setting pretty low. Since I'm actually at work right now, I could only log on to Sims 4 for a few minutes but I set up a Sim, bought a house, moved in, bought a Cooking 101 book, read it, etc. - and the performance is amazing and the graphics are all set to high. So I thought I'd note that for people who might be wondering how well it plays on lower end systems. I notice the graphics settings have a laptop mode that will automatically lower certain settings but I didn't bother seeing what it was like since the game was so smooth and responsive. Can't wait to get off work! (Still annoyed they couldn't release 12 hours earlier for Labor Day, though.)

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2014, 10:25:13 AM »
@Metro In Sims 2 if you wanted to reset a neighbourhood you needed to

copy the neighbourhood from C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection\Double Deluxe\Base\TSData\Res\UserData\Neighborhoods

delete the corresponding neighbourhood from your documents folder C:\Users\yourname\Documents\EA Games\The Sims™ 2 Ultimate Collection\Neighborhoods

and paste the one copied from the progam files.

I don't have Sims 4 yet, but you could try looking for something like this, as from what I've seen it seems to function in a similar way.

EDIT: if you do find it, it might be very useful to make a back up of this file to have a fresh file for challenges ;)

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 10:41:37 AM »
My first impressions after only 2 hours of play (I waited til midnight and played til 2, and had to go to bed to work, ugh).

Not fond of the camera options, they drive me absolutely insane, I am so use to the sims 3 camera angles and I love them. I hate that I can't get a full view of the neighborhood I am in like we could see the whole world in Sims 3. I also don't like that I can't level out the camera angle at which ever zoom level I am at.

Neighborhoods, I understand why they did it, but it seems very Sims 2ish and to be honest after playing Sims 3 for so long when I tried to go back to Sims 2 I just couldn't handle the segregation of the houses and the load screens. The load screens in this game are not nearly as bad, thank goodness, but I hated the fact that if I wanted to visit my neighbors house it needed a load screen, if it will be open neighborhood for the small neighborhood it should be completely open, that bothered me. Also my load screens were about 15-20 seconds, so they were a bit annoying (especially seeing as I needed a load screen to visit neighbor and then another to go back home). I like that it is a bit easier to travel, you don't have to call each time you can click on the road, but after Sims 3 it is still hard to get used to.

I also disliked the collapsed moodlets and how long it took to get a relationship moving.

I am sure this is a lot more that I dislike but I only played for a couple of hours. Haha, I am sure however that I will grow to understand it better (I didn't know how to rotate my items that was so frustrating, I liked being able to move it with my mouse) and will like it. I do like the emotions, they are a little weird, but make the game a bit more interesting.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2014, 10:42:33 AM »
@Metro In Sims 2 if you wanted to reset a neighbourhood you needed to

copy the neighbourhood from C:\Program Files (x86)\Origin Games\The Sims 2 Ultimate Collection\Double Deluxe\Base\TSData\Res\UserData\Neighborhoods

delete the corresponding neighbourhood from your documents folder C:\Users\yourname\Documents\EA Games\The Sims™ 2 Ultimate Collection\Neighborhoods

and paste the one copied from the progam files.

I don't have Sims 4 yet, but you could try looking for something like this, as from what I've seen it seems to function in a similar way.

EDIT: if you do find it, it might be very useful to make a back up of this file to have a fresh file for challenges ;)

I cant imagine they would do it this complicated, I sure don't hope so.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2014, 10:45:36 AM »
With any luck they wised up and made it as simple as deleting the folder in My Documents like when we factory reset Sims 3, or better yet, a start over button in-game.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2014, 10:46:53 AM »
I hope not too as it will be a nightmare to have challenge players start fresh which they'll pretty much have to. No dice so far. I cannot find similar named files. I did find the Origin Games folder, but nothing about neighborhoods in any of the sub folders. I tried deleting the household I started with but then the neighborhood was not reset and just continued.

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EDIT: Hmmm...okay I did find like 12 different save files all in the documents folder with today's date. I am assuming I can safely delete all of those. Maybe that will do the trick and a new neighborhood would automatically trigger?

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 10:55:19 AM »
If they need to reset, could they just create a new game file? I haven't played with this yet, so not sure how simple it is, but if you are creating a new sim, I would think under the exit screen there would also be an option for a new game file. Not in front of my home computer, just thinking about what I remember from when I played, so I could be off on what you're wanting.

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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 11:17:16 AM »
I'm having trouble with neighborhood not resetting too.  I shut down the game, restart game, create new household, and I still see my OLD one in the house I left her.  I could evict that old sim, but that doesn't reset the neighborhood.  Will mess with it more later.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2014, 11:35:03 AM »
After a few hours of messing around with one sim and a career, here are my thoughts.  I'll try nooboos and something else later.

Don't Like:

1) Absolutely hate the camera.
2) Map view.  No more following your sim around town, map view takes you to loading screen choose your destination and boom another loading screen you're there.  Maybe I just need to get use to it.
3) Feels a lot like playing sims2 again.  I played sims3 for so long, and now it feels like EA is making me go back to play sims2.
4) The moodlet panel is going to be a problem for me forever.  I like to keep it open for micromanaging purposes, and it keeps collapsing when things happen, and I have to reopen it over and over again.  Sigh.
5) Career, sim just goes off screen to work.  You can't even bring up the job metric menu during work hours, its grey out.

Like:

1) The new career metric is pretty nice, something new.  I do like the new daily tasks.
2) Aspirations is nice too, although EA could add more.  I'm sure with new expansion packs, there will be lots of different aspirations.  If I remember correctly, I think sims2 have aspirations too, so I believe we are going back to sims2.
3) Emotions.  Definitely big selling point for sims4 here, and it is quite fun.  Trying to do different things to get different emotions is a fun new way to play my sim.

Neutral:

1) Multitasking.  I'm not sure if I like or dislike it at the moment, could be hindrance in some cases and could be helpful in other cases.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2014, 11:38:40 AM »
To start a new game (am awfully tempted to put this in caps, lol):

Upper right hand corner on the main menu, above the blue play button.

Press the + sign.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2014, 11:48:16 AM »
To start a new game (am awfully tempted to put this in caps, lol):

Upper right hand corner on the main menu, above the blue play button.

Press the + sign.

Good there was an easy way to do it. I could have imagined the pain to pratice for a challenge if we could not have done that.

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2014, 12:02:22 PM »
Very quick, at work sort of thing.

I had to switch the camera back to Sims 3 style, and I still don't like it. It keeps trying to level out as a "flat across" view instead of doing the bird's eye view I prefer.

Graphics clipping. DEAR CARL. I actually had my simself step into her desk to talk with a guest. Repeatedly. And when I moved my niece's simself in, she walked into my simself to open the fridge. It was a freaky merge. (I guess it's better than the sims 3 pathing issues and stupid dance, but...really?)

Why, oh why, can I make a sim with red eyes, but not purple?

That's about as far as I got, my niece and I were swapping a shared household, and I was playing with the game mechanics while she was playing with the house building.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2014, 12:11:13 PM »
I like that after you make some friends they will often come over to your house to visit you. It seems everyday there are 2 or three showing up and knocking on the door. And that makes me wonder why they done away with the door bell and have them knock on the door now.
And I like when visiting a friends house and I knock on the door they just yell to come on in, instead of having to wait at the door for them to show up and invite you in.
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2014, 12:34:28 PM »
I'm wondering how multiple generations will work. My sim couple is having their first baby. When he/she grows up, will a prospective spouse be available in town or will one have to be brought into the game from the Gallery?

I'm finding it easier to play now. Just a matter of getting used to the new controls I guess.

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2014, 12:45:23 PM »
I must say I had a lot of fun with the game last night for the 3 hours or so I got to play before I absolutely had to get to bed!

I was impressed with all of the additions to CAS, both in outfits and color choices.  I was also super happy that my CC worked as flawlessly in the full game as it did in the CAS Demo!  I think I will be very happy with the additions that can be made with CC.

The game runs beautifully.  Even with CC both CAS and the game respond almost instantly.  Loading the game takes maybe a minute.  The graphics are impressive, especially on Ultra.  Though I did have to check the box that said something about uncompressing textures for the sims under options.  This got rid of the grainy look my Sims had on their skin.

I think the moods make gameplay pretty fun, and I also like how it takes longer than a day to build a relationship with other sims.  It took my girl at least 3 days to get into a relationship with her man.

One problem I ran into was I can't seem to figure out how to ask the guy to divorce his wife and move in with me instead.  I can't propose to him as he is still married.  Anyone figure that out yet?

The only major complaint I have is the camera controls.  I tried the reverted camera controls that were supposed to be like Sims 3 and struggled with that for about an hour.  Then I gave in and decided that it is a new game so I should just learn the new controls, and I am slowly getting the hang of it.  It's just irritating because I go to turn the screen with my right mouse button and it doesn't work in Sims 4.  Clicking takes some getting used to as well, I just keep hitting the wrong buttons.

Gardening still takes all the livelong day for not a lot of profit, but I haven't gotten to the top of it yet though, so maybe the top tier will have some improvements.

Also after about 3 days of eating grilled cheese and eggs and toast and whatnot, my sim has packed on quite a few pounds.  Seems to me the weight gain is maybe a little overly sensitive to the diet.  Back to nothing but salads for all my sims!

*Edit* Oh, one last thing that absolutely just tickled me was that when my sim was in a flirty mood the fridge gave me the option to bake these heart shaped cookies (normally that option isn't there).  Then I had her and her love interest eat the cookies when he visited and it put both of them in a flirty mood ^.^

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2014, 01:11:19 PM »
3) Feels a lot like playing sims2 again.  I played sims3 for so long, and now it feels like EA is making me go back to play sims2.

I got that feeling simply from the change in the CAS graphics.  It feels more cartoon-y than Sims3 did to me, but that's not a bad thing.

Seems like most folks' biggest problem is dealing with the new camera controls.  It has thrown me off for a bit, but then I'd been playing TS3 all day so my brain was pretty much in that mode.  Same thing used to happen when I'd stop playing TS3 and play WoW for a bit (or vice-versa)... it'd take me 5 or 10 minutes to get my camera controls back in the groove.  I expect that it'll become brainwired in short order so long as I don't play other games for now.

I took my geeky-goofy-loner sim out on a date with Summer Holiday (is she adorable or what?) and I found that I really liked how the date actually had individual goals!  Darn it though, I couldn't get a perfect score because I needed to flirt while in a flirty mood and I couldn't get my guy to be flirty at all.  Should have taken a steamy shower before the date!

Speaking of that date, Bella Goth was there and looked rather vapid.  She just stood there, hardly moving and as-far-as-I-can-tell not blinking, as if she were a sim-shaped robotic socialization station waiting for a stimulus to respond to.  A little disconcerting.

I'm finding the mood management a bit tricky, but I figure that is mostly because I am so accustomed to playing a heavily modified TS3 (including Twallan's Master Controller) that I'm not used to actually having to micromanage the activities.  That and my TS3 families are so well developed in their LTW perks that they are much easier to keep satisfied.  Once I put a few thousand points into my TS4 sim I am sure he'll manage just as well.  I'm tempted to prioritize better bladder control just so I don't have to see him walk around with the 5-year-old-weewee-dance walk.

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Re: First Impressions
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2014, 01:20:41 PM »

*Edit* Oh, one last thing that absolutely just tickled me was that when my sim was in a flirty mood the fridge gave me the option to bake these heart shaped cookies (normally that option isn't there).  Then I had her and her love interest eat the cookies when he visited and it put both of them in a flirty mood ^.^

I love that, I can't wait to try that!
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