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Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« on: November 01, 2015, 06:14:57 PM »
My Sim is at level 7 of the chef career. She has negotiated for bonus 3 times and it has failed twice. The first time was a failure so I made sure that on the second time I waited until her performance bar was a good bit past halfway, her needs were up, and she was inspired. It worked. I basically did the exact same thing the third time and it failed. Should she be confident rather than inspired? Is it just dumb luck that it failed twice?

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 06:30:33 PM »
The more correct moodlets you can stack up before phoning the better. Make sure your sim as completed all requirements for the next promotion, has good needs and at least 12+ correct moodlets that way you stand a really good chance on succeeding every time.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 06:53:05 PM »
For me it seems to be luck, and not moodlet-dependent.  I normally make sure that my Sim is very confident anyway before calling, just in case it helps.  I've tried being in the correct mood for the job, and my results have not improved over being very confident.  I think my success rate is around 70%.  Hopefully Playalot's advice will work for you.  I'd give it a try.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2015, 12:52:21 AM »
For me, try saving before asking for negotiate. if the attempt fail, you can just restart the game but make sure to do something else first (like moving a step) otherwise the randomizer still not on your favor. I think being confident help(it is a social interaction after all) since I rarely fail when I did this but also have found success even without being in relevant mood anyway. There is also a neat exploit for this where you can queue two negotiate for bonus and they both will fire after another.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 04:47:54 PM »
I've very rarely failed using the stacking correct moodlets for the career tip. In my dynasty, all 8 gens, I think I only failed about 4 times in total.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 11:35:04 PM »
Unless it was proven that correct moodlet for career help with the success rate, we can really say for sure. I also always use ClayMask method of being very confident and also rarely fails the interaction. I like to think it more of a luck based rather than moodlet dependent

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 10:39:04 PM »
Thanks for the replies. I decided to just press on without that "perk"! My Dynasty founder made it to the top of her career about 8 days before turning elder without it, so it worked out.



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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 02:02:42 AM »
Glad your founder made it! Now for the next 7 gens!  ;)
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2015, 06:08:03 AM »
There is one drawback to the save and redo option given above: if you do that in a Dynasty or Legacy, its an automatic fail! You can't go back to a previous save without a valid reason for doing that and then only with permission from the Challenge Team, if it's one of the forum Dynasties. And I know for a fact that the Legacy doesn't allow for save and redo either, since the creator's own wife had to restart her legacy when something drastic occurred, without being able to go to a different save!

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2015, 02:05:31 PM »
By the way, can we have separate forum section to post help or tips for Challenge/ Dynasty / Legacy? And if we can't it will also be helpful if the member needed help mention that they are currently in a challenge run so we can provide tips that did not break the challenge itself.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2015, 02:52:39 PM »
@dodi90

We do have a hints & tips section for immortal dynasty.
http://www.carls-sims-4-guide.com/forum/index.php/topic,22197.0.html

Legacy, do we need one?  Legacy is not part of our forum's challenges.

Challenges, all the tips for these are in separate old challenges thread.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2015, 03:28:35 PM »
I just feel like, when I offer help on gameplay, I always give tips on normal playthrough where no restriction applies. It seems better if all question of some gameplay aspect that is used on any challenge (official from forum or not) only asked on approriate section.

Of course if you only need to gameplay mechanic on something you can always ask freely in here and I assume that the poster already familiar with the rule and know that save and reload trick is banned for this kind of challenge.

On topic. So far Tips for Negotiate success rate really depend on luck since I myself have failed even in the correct mood (if there is one) and sometimes also find success even when my sim is just happy or neutral. We can not say which one is more likely to succeed purely by observing gameplay since this interaction is limited once (twice if you use glitch) every two days.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2015, 04:38:02 PM »
I don't agree that it is only based on luck. I agree there is some sort of 'luck' element but as I have already posted I have used this over an eight generation dynasty and only failed about 4 times. I believe it is about completion of daily requirements and stacking up the correct emotional moodlets for the career. I don't know about confident as I only used the career related emotion and it worked time after time.  That HAS to be more than luck surely?

As for tips regarding dynasties challenges etc @dodi90 this section is for general game tips so you are absolutely right to post here. Any dynasty rules etc are clearly laid out in that particular section and there is always heaps of people around with challenge related help in that section.  :)

I guess it's just that most of us know who is doing a challenge or not etc because we read those sections too... and sometimes we get tripped up on all the little tips and tricks that are perfectly valid for casual play but lead straight to a 'fail' in a challenge!  ::)

Side issue... I have rotten success rate on hacking... I always fail at that even though I stack all the moodlets and have high skill. I just don't even bother trying to hack anymore.  Makes me wonder if traits play apart in both these interactions. *shrug*
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2015, 09:39:59 PM »
Sorry for getting all technical with the "save/reload" bit, it's just that some newbies might not realise that this section is for general gameplay and thus make a "fail" error. I will say that the save/reload is often a cure-all for many general gameplay mess ups and it tends to work quite beautifully for that :-) I know I used it a time or two myself to prevent an electrocution or 4, before I started playing Legacy style...

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2015, 12:20:32 AM »
@Magpie2012  that was also totally fine to say. lol After all if you didn't know that it wasn't ok it was valuable info... and if you did know it was no biggie to read. :)
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2015, 02:39:57 AM »
I figure it's my own responsibility to know the rules of any challenge I'm playing.  ;D I've been using the negotiate for bonus sparingly and have had success with it. Most of the time, though, I find it isn't really necessary. I haven't tried Playalot's suggestion mostly because I can't usually be bothered to stack a bunch of moodlets. It seems like it is probably a good strategy and would add extra insurance to the action. I'm just not a very good gambler! Having to recover from a set-back is worse than just waiting a day or two for the promotion, to me anyway.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2015, 03:22:07 AM »
I agree...set backs in a dynasty are a right pain to deal with. Mostly, just because of my play style anyway, my sims always have a huge stack of moodlets anyway. Another quick way is to make a super pimped out moodlet room and just have your sim make the phone call in there. In my dynasty I had a mega 'inspired room' that worked a treat.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2015, 08:21:08 AM »
Personally I find that using good moodlets at work is much more dependable than negotiating or hacking.  The cowplant essence and the wedding vow moodlets are my favorites.  Also of course can't forget "Connections", definitely worth spending the points for.

You will find that instead of taking 3-4 days to get promotion, with the stacked cowplant and wedding vows moodlets, you can get promoted in just 2 days. 

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2015, 02:38:49 PM »
You can't rely on just negotiate for sure. Negotiate a bonus just can push it even faster... but it has to be successful. lol I think the cow plant has to be the easiest and fastest way to get into the right emotion for work at the beginning of a new game although the Spa Day yoga moodlets last quite some time too just have to make sure you time your morning correctly.

The cow plant drink is seconds to drink and the moodlet lasts 12 hours. It's a must really. Team it up with the cloning machine from the Scientist career and your sims whole family will always be in the right emotion for the whole work day.

Funny how we all have our favourites, for me it negotiate a bonus, timed correctly your sim can get three promotions a week in some careers, work days depending of course.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2015, 01:47:34 PM »
Cowplant question: do you use a Moodlet Solver afterwards or just let the drained moodlet stay? Does it depend on if it's a "helper" Sim? I just tried the Cowplant essence for the first time last night and I wound up using a Moodlet Solver, but I'm weighing cost/benefit. I tend to rely on the yoga mats a lot, but it does take some time to complete the routine. Plus side to yoga is that it increases Wellness skill which opens up the Wellness socials, which are a quick way to get focused and inspired.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2015, 02:10:41 PM »
Depends on who I use.  If I use a "helper" sim, I usually just let the drained moodlet fall off by itself in 2 days - but remember DO NOT let that helper with the drained moodlet eat cake again, he/she will die.  If I don't have helper or I need another essence fast, I will drink moodlet solver to clear the drained moodlet and can eat cake again to get a different essence.

If you are doing dynasty, it is worth the time to get a cloning machine.  With one cowplant essence, you can clone the essence as much as you want -- let the drained moodlet fall off by itself and save your moodlet solver for other emergency situation.

The important thing about the essence is it gives a 12 hours moodlet.  Most of the other moodlets are 4 hours (some 6), they don't last the whole workday.  I need something that last very long and cowplant is the only one I found that gives the "target" moodlet and last that long.  The other long ones (like have baby, newlywed, etc.) are just +happy moodlets.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2015, 03:32:03 PM »
If you have the best bath your helper sim could have a few baths in a row and that also gets rid of the 'drained' moodlet without having to use a reward.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2015, 03:32:02 AM »
I also experience low hacking success rate to the point I never did it again in all my game. Even my sim who maxed programming and always very focused didn't seem to get high success rate.

The only stable raise up is to make connection but it was pretty small and in all my game usually 2 days of working (and work hard while in correct mood) are sufficient to get promotion.

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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2015, 02:56:35 PM »
@dodi90 the low success rate at hacking is weird as I have a friend who uses it all the time and has as much success with it as I do using negotiate for a bonus. I'm like you, I don't even bother using hacking at all now.

Hmm, I forgot about make connection, least that doesn't fail and any advance is good when you are up against the clock.
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Re: Tips for Negotiate for Bonus?
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2015, 04:10:17 AM »
@Playalot I think a lot of the odds with hacking and negotiating are random, but i have found that some games will have continuous success with one or the other and some games will have none. i think it's pretty much just luck of the draw at this point. Which I kind of like, since i never know which "perk" is going to work for my sim until I try it so, other than working hard and appropriate moodlets, i have to actually vary my routines to get promoted quickly!
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