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Offline Himekawa

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[BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« on: June 06, 2020, 04:31:28 AM »
I wonder why mine can't. Well... I'm thinking of the triple boost of Great Accoustics, Peace and Quiet, Study Spot, plus the micro home. So, I bought mine a piano book for her to read (of course creativity is already at 10). I made her read it and no skill bar shows there. Then, I switch to the keyboard first, and then piano. Neither gives mine any piano skill.

I'll test this later, to see whether it is the skill book that trigger it. what I want to ask is how is you guys' experience about this?

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Re: Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2020, 12:20:21 PM »
I haven't tried since the patch/expansion, and I haven't ever tried with a child in a tiny home.  They should also be able to learn violin, have you tried a child-size violin yet?



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Re: Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2020, 08:10:15 PM »
@Brian_Z well... I tried a new game, and it works for this new child. So, I guess it is corrupted save?

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2020, 12:37:28 AM »
yeah about half of my kids can learn violin, half can't. It's a known bug.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2020, 03:55:22 AM »
It's a known bug, report it on the link Playalot posted... I too have that issue where my child sim can't learn any skills even with cheats so the more reports ea get's the better the chance at getting a fix soon
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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2020, 11:32:01 PM »
So there's a workaround for this problem- once your child has maxed a childhood skill, be sure to have them get started on all the adult skills related to it, BEFORE you save the game.  For example, they max out Creativity:  right away, have them practice a bit on violin and piano, long enough that they pick up those skills.  If you have a pipe organ available, practice that too.  THEN it's ok to save the game. 

Does anyone know all the adult skills a child is able to learn?  I just had a kid max Creativity, so I had her play a little bit on the piano and violin, not too worried about pipe organ.  Pretty sure that Creativity just gets you those 3 instruments?
Mental gets you Logic and Fishing, is there anything else?
Social gets Charisma... does it also do Comedy and Mischief?
And as far as I could ever tell, Motor doesn't unlock anything.  Kids can't use workout equipment, or even jog, and they never seem to get Fitness when swimming.

Edit:  Creativity also opens up Singing, just tried it.



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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2020, 02:21:57 AM »
Kids can learn:

Before maxing any child skill-
Vampire lore
Singing
Pipe organ
Bowling
Acting
Pet Training
I am not 100% sure on this but Knitting
There may be more that I just don't know about


After creativity-

Piano
Violin

After Social--

Charisma
Mischief

After mental-

Logic
Video games
Fishing

After Motor-

None

@Brian_Z Does this list help?

Edited to add Pet Training and fix a typo. Thanks @Brian_Z and @oshizu.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2020, 02:32:00 AM »
Yes it does.  This child couldn't seem to pick up video gaming or fishing, even after maxing her mental and trying to learn them before a save.  I didn't know they could pick up all those skills before maxing child skills either!

I believe they can learn Pet Training, without maxing any childhood skills.  One game a little while ago, after this bug turned up, that was one of the few things a child could learn.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2020, 11:10:15 AM »
I knew I was forgetting one. I looked and I couldn't find a list anywhere. Yep, you can learn pet training.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2020, 12:33:29 PM »
The child wrapped up all her childhood aspirations, couldn't pick up Charisma, Fishing, or Video Gaming though.  But at least she's got lots that she can work on, it's still 35 days till her birthday!

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2020, 12:42:59 PM »
That bug affecting random child learning adult skills makes childhood much less productive. I am so glad you pointed out a work around. Instead of a new expansion pack in late fall wouldn't it be great if they actually fixed the game we have now? I know I am dreaming as the sims all generations of it has been an annoying bug fest. Why would they take the time to fix that now?

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2020, 01:01:57 PM »
@scoed

Caught a typo, friend!

After creativity-  <--I think you meant to type "After social"
Charisma
Mischief

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2020, 01:09:36 PM »
So there's a workaround for this problem- once your child has maxed a childhood skill, be sure to have them get started on all the adult skills related to it, BEFORE you save the game.  For example, they max out Creativity:  right away, have them practice a bit on violin and piano, long enough that they pick up those skills.  If you have a pipe organ available, practice that too.  THEN it's ok to save the game. 

@Brian_Z
Could you explain how this workaround helps? In one family, I had twins max a child skill then immediately start the corresponding "adult" skills. Then moved on to the next childhood skill.
One twin learned all the "adult" skills, but the other only learned some. What do you mean by "THEN, it's okay to save the game" if a child fails to acquire the expected "adult skill"?
Once I save/exit the game, the opportunity to acquire the related adult skills is lost forever?
Sorry, I can be dense. ;)

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2020, 01:40:05 PM »
@oshizu  You need to pick up any adult skills before saving.  It seems to help, but as I discovered it's still not guaranteed to work- my child still didn't get Charisma, Fishing, or Video Gaming.  But people have reported that saving seems to lock the sim from that point and they can't learn after that.  Also some have had success with using a cheat to knock the child back to level 9 of the childhood skill, then max again and try to learn the adult skill.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2020, 01:56:13 PM »
I just gave it a try, reverting the child to level 9 Social and maxing again.  It worked, she picked up Charisma!  The one skill I really wanted her to be able to work on, it's so important later and also a long grind to max.

And to clarify, yes, this was after saving last night, today I opened the game, reverted her to Social level 9, made her talk to the mirror till she maxed Social.  I found I had to let her take a few minutes break, then practice speech again, and then she acquired Charisma.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2020, 02:07:07 PM »
Thanks for clarifying @Brian_Z

With 35 days to teenhood, your child definitely needs to pick up the Charisma sskill, LOL!

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2020, 02:05:25 AM »
I figured out why my child sim picked up some skills, but not others- no saving, AND also no loading screens!  Just like with the Acting bug.  I had to travel to try fishing, no fishing spots in my neighborhood, and then didn't try video gaming until she went home again.  And with Charisma, she maxed Social while hanging out in the park, and then almost immediately got Mischief on her own.  And then she went home before trying to pick up Charisma.
I originally didn't care much about Fishing, but then I decided I wanted the family to go camping, overlapping the end of summer/beginning of fall.  Fishing is one of the major things to do, especially for a kid who can't collect the plants, so it would be a real bummer if she can't raise the skill.  So, I reverted her Mental to 9, maxed again, went to the park and tried fishing.  Still couldn't get it.  Wait, what if loading screens do it too?  Reverted her Mental again still at the park, played chess till she maxed again, tried fishing... Bingo!  Then I had her play a game on her phone and she got Video Gaming too, before going home.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2020, 01:53:00 PM »
@Brian_Z 
A big thanks for the trip about travel/loading screens!
My latest batch of kids were learning all their "adult skils" just fine (at least those permitted in their current era of the SimTech Challenge).
Then one of them missed a musical instrument skill and I remember this thread---dangit, the kid learned Creativity at the beach and then the family went home.
Lesson learned.

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Re: [BUG] Kids cannot learn piano?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2020, 09:34:39 PM »
About knitting, I had a child sim try to knit yesterday and learned two things.
(1) The child was building both the Knitting and Motor skills at the same time.
(2) The child could be mentored in Knitting.

 

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