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Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« on: March 29, 2011, 03:20:28 PM »
Preaching is one of the responsibilities of a peteran priest. It provides XP and some simoles. I believe that it will also give a positive focus buff. All of this is good but how does one maximize the benefits from preaching?

Popularity affects the offering but what affects popularity?

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 03:26:51 PM »
The number of converts in the realm. I think if you do a good sermon, you'll have a chance to convert any agnostics. Directly converting them through the social interaction seems to make a bigger impact.



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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 03:27:01 PM »
Preaching is one of the responsibilities of a peteran priest. It provides XP and some simoles. I believe that it will also give a positive focus buff. All of this is good but how does one maximize the benefits from preaching?

Popularity affects the offering but what affects popularity?


One of the first Guides Carl wrote was the Peteran Guide and I believe his target date for putting new Guide articles up is Sunday. In the meantime, what I can tell you to do is to listen carefully to congregation reaction. Select a given sermon tone and if you're hearing cheers or laughter, then that's good. If you hear boos, then try and switch the tone.

The other tip I can provide is go on a conversion spree — walk around the Kingdom and convert lots of peasants to the Peteran religion. That shoots up popularity a great deal — more than sermons.

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Edit: Lol. The head Peteran Priest steps in to make a sermon.  ;D

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 07:13:53 PM »
On the bad side, if the Priest Profession is inactive in a quest and the CPU controls them they never hold any sermons. The Priest walks up to the desk several times a day and put the book on the table and then leaves directly afterwards. I don't know if this hurts popularity when you are not controlling him directly, I hope this gets fixed somehow. When you participate in a sermon it actually provides a rather nice focus buff.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 10:12:39 PM »
Yeah, I was hoping to get some perks going to the priest but couldn't get him to cast a blessing. It kind of stinks. You expect it to have a bigger impact on the kingdom than it really does. My priest was a drunkard, so most of the time parishioners just came for the booze.

I think there was a Quest or two in between us using the Peteran Priest after reaching level 10 and maxing popularity. When I went back, I wanted to do some testing on sermons and popularity, I found it was still max. Maybe Sims aren't casting off their faith, which would probably be what causes that bar to fall.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 07:44:25 AM »
A nice discovery yesterday you may like to note ...

Bless the Village Well.  Amazing ... a new Market Area materialised alongside!!  A collection of tents [for sleep or woo-hoo], training Dummies, Forge & Anvil, and Watcher's Archive  ;D


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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 12:46:36 PM »
Bless the Village Well.  Amazing ... a new Market Area materialised alongside!!  A collection of tents [for sleep or woo-hoo], training Dummies, Forge & Anvil, and Watcher's Archive  ;D


Thank you. I saw something similar while doing the "Cutting Edge" quest. My priest, Brother Timothy blessed the town well and then drew bottles of holy water. I am still pondering what to do with the holy water. Would giving some holy water to a skeptical prospect improve the results from preaching?



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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 12:47:52 PM »
Blessed well water is needed as an ingredient in some blacksmith recipes - I forget which ones, though.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 02:24:36 PM »
On the bad side, if the Priest Profession is inactive in a quest and the CPU controls them they never hold any sermons. The Priest walks up to the desk several times a day and put the book on the table and then leaves directly afterwards. I don't know if this hurts popularity when you are not controlling him directly, I hope this gets fixed somehow. When you participate in a sermon it actually provides a rather nice focus buff.

Well, still they're active - one of my heroes, when I switched back to her, was no longer agnostic but of Jacobean faith and she also had a positive moodlet from having heard a good service. I also know, because I have observed it, that my Peteran priest does evengelize till she drops.. :)

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 05:08:43 AM »
A nice discovery yesterday you may like to note ...
Bless the Village Well.  Amazing ... a new Market Area materialised alongside!!  A collection of tents [for sleep or woo-hoo], training Dummies, Forge & Anvil, and Watcher's Archive  ;D
Oh dear ... finished that Quest [Cutting Edge?] and started a new one.  The nice Market Area has gone, so I guess it was just Quest-specific.  It did seem odd having those particular ingredients, which I now realise were very relevant to the Quest and thus saved a LOT of transit time.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 06:38:07 AM »
Now here's a question ... has anyone got both Peteran and Jacoban priests operating in the same 'neighbourhood'?

I could imagine that might make game play a bit difficult, with each priest trying to convert the people from the other church.  Religious Wars, anyone?  :o

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 06:43:48 AM »
Eveangalizing gave my Priest quite a bit of Popularity.  ;)
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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 04:20:41 PM »
If you "Write with the Watcher" before your sermon time, it gives you the opportunity to preach an "insightful" sermon. I'll have to do more testing to figure out if this gets a better reaction from the congregation (I suspect from what I've seen so far that it does), or whether it just gives you an extra option in case the congregation doesn't like the way you're preaching at the moment.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 05:10:52 PM »
To answer Slingsby, I have had both priests in my first and second ambitions and have found no problems, so far.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2011, 08:47:25 PM »
I always have both priests.  The local sims tend to be willing to change their religion depending on which priest you are playing. 

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2011, 06:56:52 AM »
Thanks, folks ... we now have both priests.  No reports of fighting either!!  ;D

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 10:01:19 PM »
I don't know why, but for me, Evangelising seems to increase popularity faster than sermons. It was how I maxed popularity  for a quest (I forgot which one).

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2011, 03:35:10 PM »
Maybe Evangelizing brings more Sims who aren't already converted around? When Metro and I were playing together it was converting directly that seemed to build popularity most. Jacobans don't have such problems.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 09:37:07 PM »
Blessed well water is needed as an ingredient in some blacksmith recipes - I forget which ones, though.

Blessed well water also provids a short buff when you drink it :)

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2011, 10:37:29 PM »
Yes, so does normal well water but probably not as much as the blessed stuff.

Seabody, thank you for your tip.  For the first time ever I got my Peteran priest maximum popularity.  I haven't been able to manage it up till now with just having the sermons and converting everything that moved.  The evanelising did the trick.

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Re: Preaching Tips For A Peteran Priest
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2016, 03:08:55 PM »
Sharing my experiences with a Peteran (3 Ambitions and one free-play Kingdom in), it seems that Peterans increase most easily in popularity early in play, when there are fewer sources of entertainment or venues for town Sims to visit. Even so, Peteran popularity increases more gradually than Jacoban Fear. On the flip side, there is no penalty for being too popular. That said, here are my tips:

Try to hold two sermons a day, and schedule at least one evangelism session on the monastery platform between them. This will prevent popularity from decaying dramatically between sermons.

At Level 3, Peteran Priests unlock the "Inspired" sermon tone by Studying the Watcher at the archive. A full hour of study isn't necessarily required, but the "inspired" buff does take about 35 to 40 Sim minutes to be acquired through study. It will last until the next sermon, but the Priest will have to Study the Watcher again to renew it, in order to give another sermon with the "Inspired" tone.  Inspired sermons seem to be more effective overall.

When giving a sermon, pay attention to the responses of your congregation. If Sims are booing or heckling your sermon, they are unhappy with the tone and it is likely to be less successful. Change tone until you find the one that makes them laugh to themselves. This represents a favorable response (even to Solemn toned sermons).

Convert as many locals as you can. A sermon will usually attract at least one non-Peteran Sim to the Monastery lot. Easy way to spot them is to click each congregant while your priest sermonizes, and select the "Peteran Priest" interactions from the menu wheel. If they are Jacoban or Agnostic, your priest will have a chance to Convert to Peteran Faith. I try to have a conversion interaction lined up to immediately follow my sermon, and sometimes you can get two or even three Sims converted before they leave the lot.

It is also worth converting Sims your priest encounters away from the Monastery. If your Focus is even half-full, a conversion is likely to succeed even at Level 1.

I do not know if making a lot of friends with your Peteran Priest necessarily improves the popularity of the Faith, but it certainly can't hurt.

Likewise, the "Pray With" interaction probably helps build loyalty to the faith as well, but this metric, if it exists, is hidden from the player. I only infer it to exist.

A good sermon gives a hero Sim who attends an 8 hour Focus boost, at 3x the Priest's level - i.e. a +12 boost from a sermon from a Level 4 Priest, maxing out at +30 for a good sermon at Level 10. I have not had a chance to see whether bonus levels beyond 10 also increase the value of the boost from a sermon.

The "Watcher's Favor" interaction seems to build relationship and may affect faith loyalty, but be careful with this as it can drastically cut into your Priest's rest. Annex Effenmont and stock up on the superior Energy Potions before you really cut loose with this.

Regarding the well water, there is one Blacksmith Quest ("Cutting Edge") where Blessed Well Water is a required ingredient. The Peteran Priest is a supporting Hero in that mission. Unlike the Jacoban blades (Sword of the Watcher, Jacob's Tooth) which require Consecrated Well Water and Watched Water respectively, the Angel's Talon (according to its flavor text a Peteran blade) does not use Blessed Well Water in its creation.

Blessed Well Water cannot be used instead of Consecrated (the Jacoban equivalent) Well Water, or Watched Water (from the Village Shoppe) for forging the other blades.
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